City Photo Radar Information LLC (Scottsdale: apartment, house, neighborhood)

[undefined]

The information given by City Photo Radar Information LLC is correct and can be used to get photo enforcement citations thrown out. Not really worth the $58 because the information is on the internet for free. Here is a link to a news story on it:

http://www.azfamily.com/news/3oys/st...r.52e0f3cc.htm

Basically the citation received in the mail is not valid under Arizona law and it must personally be delivered to you or a competent member of your household for it to be valid. If it is not delivered for 120 days, the citation is thrown out. So, the trick is to avoid the service processors for 120 days.

You can always use this website to track the status of the citation: http://www.supreme.state.az.us/publi...ion/search.asp

Just put in your name and if you have several already in the system just search through them until you see the photo citation.

Here are some more links from valid news sources about the process

http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/2007-...cement-ticket/

http://www.tucsonweekly.com/gbase/Cu...tent?oid=94553

[AdolescentWings]

Yeah, I recently broke a red light, and I received a "citation" in the mail. The fine is $248, which I really don't want to pay. Here are my options:

1. Pay the $248 fine
2. Take a traffic survival school course (would anybody be kind enough to tell me the cost range)
3. Take a traffic school course online, which I think is significantly cheaper
4. Pay $58 to find out what I have already researched online
5. Avoid the processor and citation

I would really love to simply avoid the citation. I can tell my family to simply not answer the door, or at least check before opening it. If I wanted to play it safe, I could take the traffic survival course. Any suggestions?

[AdolescentWings]

undefined, you seem to be quite knowledgeable in this matter... I have a couple of questions, and I would really appreciate it if you could answer them.

First of all, are there points as of right now on my driving record? I only received the citation through the mail, so I was wondering when the points actually become present on a driving record.

If someone in my household opens the door for the process server, is the citation still valid, or does the process server have to hand the citation to me personally?

If I do dodge the process server, will the points appear on my record, or will they be absent as if the whole incident never happened?

Is attending traffic survival school a must for red light violations? If I do attend traffic survival school, are the points removed

The information that is apparently worth $58 dollars probably only exploits the fact that the citation is invalid until it is personally delivered. The article on phoenixnewtimes that you posted suggests creating an LLC for about $100 and simply registering your car under the company. Is that worth it?

Most importantly, what do you suggest I do? I really can't afford to pay the fine, but I'm in 16-18 year old category, and I don't want points on my record. Driving school is always an option, too.

[Danno3314]

It's just the same info you'll read on here.

[jrz joe]

I purchased some information a couple years back and prepared what I thought was a thorough case. The officer was unable to answer the questions and I asked for a dismissal on grounds of unpreparedness on three separate occassions. The plaintiff even requested a recess to locate info not found. At the end of the day I was still found guilty after following all this info. I think I pissed them off for wasting time and resources. Take this for whatever it's worth.

[jrz joe]

I just received a summons yesterday and it was served to my wife in my absence. The points are not assessed until convicted. So in other words if you are successful at avoiding the server for 120 days they will discontinue the processor and it would be like you never received a ticket.

Driving school is a good course of action as avoiding the processor can be tough unless you are never home, answer your front door or pull your car out of the garage. Good luck!

Originally Posted by AdolescentWings

undefined, you seem to be quite knowledgeable in this matter... I have a couple of questions, and I would really appreciate it if you could answer them.

First of all, are there points as of right now on my driving record? I only received the citation through the mail, so I was wondering when the points actually become present on a driving record.

If someone in my household opens the door for the process server, is the citation still valid, or does the process server have to hand the citation to me personally?

If I do dodge the process server, will the points appear on my record, or will they be absent as if the whole incident never happened?

Is attending traffic survival school a must for red light violations? If I do attend traffic survival school, are the points removed

The information that is apparently worth $58 dollars probably only exploits the fact that the citation is invalid until it is personally delivered. The article on phoenixnewtimes that you posted suggests creating an LLC for about $100 and simply registering your car under the company. Is that worth it?

Most importantly, what do you suggest I do? I really can't afford to pay the fine, but I'm in 16-18 year old category, and I don't want points on my record. Driving school is always an option, too.

[Rick Lee]

I actually never do answer my front door. I'm so tired of salesman, proselytizers and kids asking for something, that I just peek out the window. If it's the UPS or FedEx man, I answer, though they usually just knock and leave the package. Honestly, if I'm not expecting someone, I have no interest in talking to anyone who knocks on my door. I work from home, so I have to deal with this a few times a week. If I were trying to dodge a summoms server, I don't think it would be too difficult.

[jrz joe]

I work from home as well and feel the same I rarely answer the front door either. Unfortunately, I was not at home and my kids heard the door bell and ran to the window and was waving to the processor. My wife answered the door and he served her the summons. I still am not certain if that is legal but appears it may be. I am researching.

[AdolescentWings]

I was wondering the same thing. It's possible that the processor will hand the citation to my mother, but I don't know if that makes the summon valid.

I'm at a slight disadvantage. My front door is currently blocked off right now because there's a big dining table in the way . However, the processor can probably determine from my age that I attend school, meaning he/she has an idea of when I arrive home. Also, the car with which I broke the red light is always parked outside, so that's not good. The processor could just drop off the citation and claim that I received it personally, and we all know who the court will listen to.

[azjack]

Another adult can accept process for you.