Can you say " Landslide " boys & girls? (Phoenix: appointed, health)

[ibarrio]

Originally Posted by cap1717

What I want is a 1 person, 1 vote system. . . a REAL democracy! Why should those who live in rural areas have their votes weighted more heavily than those who live in urban areas? Perhaps you are concerned that Rural issues will not be addressed on the national stage? I think that is a foundless fear. Our rural areas are instrumental in food / fuel production, and will become more economically important as we reduce our reliance on fossil fuels. These areas (and the people who live there) will get plenty of attention from the national government, no matter which party is in control.

a 1 person, 1 vote system is not viable...But lets say we had that...Obama still won. George Bush isn't president the last four years.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by kdog

That's about what I figured. You get your information by reading highly biased and even racist blogs and websites. Here's some news for you -- all of your Obama "lies" themselves are lies. Read what Snopes has to say about them. snopes.com: Obama's 50 Lies / Obama Not Exactly

and snopes is about as far to the left as Sean Hannity is to the right..

Nita

[lola8822]

Originally Posted by ibarrio

a 1 person, 1 vote system is not viable...But lets say we had that...Obama still won. George Bush isn't president the last four years.

ummm.....not really sweetie....

he wouldn't have made it past hillary if we went by popular vote

Who won the popular vote? - First Read - msnbc.com

[kdog]

Originally Posted by nmnita

and snopes is about as far to the left as Sean Hannity is to the right..

Nita

Hardly. Snopes is highly regarded for giving factual research. And they give references for everything which is much more than do the prejudicial sites that you folks quote.

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[ibarrio]

Originally Posted by lola8822

ummm.....not really sweetie....

he wouldn't have made it past hillary if we went by popular vote

Who won the popular vote? - First Read - msnbc.com

Was that the presidential election? Are we grasping at straws?

[happycamper5]

Originally Posted by ConceivedinKY51

I don't know what GW's approval rating has to do with this. And if you want to go that route, why don't you quote your figures for the unapproval rating of the Democratic Congress?

And your percentages for the national results of the election are incorrect.

My point was almost 1/2 of america voted for another republican with a 16% approval rating of the one in charge! what does that tell you?? I'm with you on this...obama got VERY lucky! if GW's rating was 40% or better the outcome would have been different..thats all!

[lola8822]

Originally Posted by ibarrio

Was that the presidential election? Are we grasping at straws?

omg okay lemme put this in a more simple way...

Obama would not have been in the election had it been for 1person 1vote....Hillary would have so yea, it had a lot to do with the election....

[artvandelay]

If Obama had been named something like James Watson, rather than his Muslim-sounding name, he would have received at least a few million more votes from those who are driven by fear.

[lola8822]

Originally Posted by artvandelay

If Obama had been named something like James Watson, rather than his Muslim-sounding name, he would have received at least a few million more votes from those who are driven by fear.

First of all......the only ppl who bring up racist subjects are obama supporters.....go figure....I don't care if the dude is green white blue or purple......I don't like his church and I don't like his friends or his actions......secondly....The only reason he was elected is because it became about race when race had nothing to do with it.....if he were white he wouldn't have won out over hillary.

[artvandelay]

Originally Posted by lola8822

First of all......the only ppl who bring up racist subjects are obama supporters.....go figure....I don't care if the dude is green white blue or purple......I don't like his church and I don't like his friends or his actions......secondly....The only reason he was elected is because it became about race when race had nothing to do with it.....if he were white he wouldn't have won out over hillary.

How did he win the Iowa caucus on a race platform? He won over Hillary because he presented himself as a more calm and unifying figure than her.

I only bring up Obama's "lost votes" in response to the what-ifs posed by the McCain backers. In fact, the what-ifs are endless:

McCain lost votes because:

He was running against a black man.
Palin, and the choice of her.
His negative and unorganized campaign.
Lack of money.
Moved farther right from his maverick roots.
Political poison of Bush and Republican party.

Obama lost votes because:

Hi is a black man.
He has a Muslim name.
Questionable associations.
Inexperience

Lots of this cancels each other out, but the two most important factors were the political poison of Bush and the party, and Obama's campaign money.

Both of them seem like good dudes who deeply care about the country.