Questions on Scottsdale (Phoenix, Gilbert, Pima: mortgage, loan, insurance)

[brittZ]

aj661 -
"At the 80-85 mph used by brittZ, you'll travel approximately 205 to 218 feet before perception becomes reaction. Question: If you have a blow-out (not just a flat) of your right rear tire at that speed, do you know what your car will do and can you safely bring it under control without over-correcting? If you can you are in a minority. Not many driving schools teach this outside a classroom. They may have written instructions and you can memorize them, but until you actually get on a track and practice over and over (at much lower speeds), chances are you'll get it wrong and you will lose control."

While I have never had it happen in a car, I have had it happen on my motorcycle at sane freeway speeds and it is scary as hell. I stayed upright and got to a safe place but you see vehicles scattered all over the road when tires blow. I like the idea of using feet per second. it paints a much clearer picture of how fast you are actually traveling. If you consider that at 80-85 miles an hour is 205 - 218 fps and it takes even the best performing cars app. 160-180 ft over several seconds to come to a stop from 70mph, there is no possible way for a person to stop in time when the person in front slams on their brakes and this doesnt even account for realization and reaction times. My point about speed though was more that people in CA travel at relatively similar consistent speeds as opposed to the highly erratic, highly variable speeds favored in AZ.


"Is it unlikely he'll suddenly stand on the brakes? Maybe, but honestly, how times in your life would it have to happen to be considered a bad thing?"

I would disagree; "maybe" is an understatment. In my experience one of the favorite past times of AZ motorists is to slam on their brakes when they feel someone is too close.

[TurcoLoco]

Thank you for sharing this info aj661, though that last post was quite different than your usual style, I do appreciate the insightful and sincere opinion on the subject.

People take driving very lightly and for granted. People worry about gun control and serial killers where every ignorant, careless driver in a car is a bigger threat to others (just me crazy opinion ).

I got a laugh when I read NeverAColdCall's first post about how Scottsdale people being snotty and rude, etc. I do not know how they are but I can't believe an entire town people to be that rude or snotty! Especially he mentioned that me relocated to Newport Beach CA where the real snotty, snobby and egotistic people live in OC! lol...very contradicting indeed!
One of my friends and ex-coworkers recently relocated to Scottsdale and she said people were very nice and friendly unlike the shallow, superficial OC people. She is neither naive nor stupid, she will tell it as she sees it and I believe her but then again she might not have yet met anyone arguably bad, who knows?

My point is, unless you are an angel relocating from Heaven, don't be hasty or quick to judge people and the area, no one place on this God's planet is perfect, why, cause no one is perfect but more importantly everyone has their own taste and opinions. I am relocating to Phoenix in 2 month and you people better be ready. I don't want to see things that are like CA, I am relocating cause I need a change, lower expectations would means fewer disappointments. I hope it is hot as hell in Summer so when I die I won't be able to tell the difference.

I hope I didn't offend anyone, just sharing my opinion but I feel opinions should be limited to real constructive criticism about the to topic.

~TL

[aj661]

Originally Posted by brittZ

aj661 -
"At the 80-85 mph used by brittZ, you'll travel approximately 205 to 218 feet before perception becomes reaction. Question: If you have a blow-out (not just a flat) of your right rear tire at that speed, do you know what your car will do and can you safely bring it under control without over-correcting? If you can you are in a minority. Not many driving schools teach this outside a classroom. They may have written instructions and you can memorize them, but until you actually get on a track and practice over and over (at much lower speeds), chances are you'll get it wrong and you will lose control."

While I have never had it happen in a car, I have had it happen on my motorcycle at sane freeway speeds and it is scary as hell. I stayed upright and got to a safe place but you see vehicles scattered all over the road when tires blow. I like the idea of using feet per second. it paints a much clearer picture of how fast you are actually traveling. If you consider that at 80-85 miles an hour is 205 - 218 fps and it takes even the best performing cars app. 160-180 ft over several seconds to come to a stop from 70mph, there is no possible way for a person to stop in time when the person in front slams on their brakes and this doesnt even account for realization and reaction times. My point about speed though was more that people in CA travel at relatively similar consistent speeds as opposed to the highly erratic, highly variable speeds favored in AZ.


"Is it unlikely he'll suddenly stand on the brakes? Maybe, but honestly, how times in your life would it have to happen to be considered a bad thing?"

I would disagree; "maybe" is an understatment. In my experience one of the favorite past times of AZ motorists is to slam on their brakes when they feel someone is too close.

Road rage. Yea, you're right about braking distances which don't even begin until the the reaction distance has been covered.
I get WAY too involved and go way overboard in the details of this subject which I know has got to annoy people (hell, it even annoys me when I go back and read some of the things I've written). I'm going to try to stay off the 'soapbox' and stop giving speeches.

Friends, Have a Happy Easter!

[osat]

Good evening, my friends,
Why I am not surprised with aj661 reply. No worries I do not disagree with you and I have to admit your explanation is just perfect.
But I still do not believe the most common car accident cause is – speed. You can drive fast and safe also, is just matter of attention and respect other in the traffic.
It is easy to understand your feelings, but I need to mention I worked for four years as rescue team member in fire department. Not in US but back in Europe on one of the most deadly freeway back in 1990. Almost every night after midnight we were there on the freeway, driving like a crazy to help people.
And believe me, was not only one body which I pulled out of smashed vehicle. And a lot injured people.

Yes, Christmas and Easter was the worst time, when people travel south of Germany to Middle East…

On the end, I wish to everyone Happy Easter!

[Nature Girl]

Originally Posted by AZ_singlemother

But they are looking to buy a house for $300k range and a place were traffic is good to Thomas Rd in Phoenix Lol...

In Scottsdale, especially north, be lucky to find a run down condo for $300k..

Again, if I were you, I would go to N. Phoenix. I regret that I did move my kids to North Scottsdale. Now they are stuck in the school sys. And there is no way I would purchase run down condos here;(

Just wanted to save you some b...s... and a lot of money. Know you are in the income range for the condos. But definetly not the houses.

You could buy a nice house in a nice neighborhood in North Phoenix. Don't jump the gun and go somewhere where its overpriced and outragious like California...Sorry "nevercoldcall."

"Thanks aztoco! Your information is very helpful. As of now we are looking at N.Scottsdale, and are willing to pay a bit more for it." I had stated that we would be willing to pay more for Scottsdale. We wouldn't look at the $300K range anymore! The school system is outstanding, so the commute would be worth it. Plus his schedule would not be during traffic time. Thanks for the input though,,,

[nevercoldcall]

TurcoLoco: Your post proves that you've never spent any time AT ALL in Newport Beach. It's very friendly, laid back, family oriented, and community oriented. People here are actually happy, they even smile and say "hi" to each other, something you're never going to see in Scottsdale!

Like you, I used to believe that Newport was full of rude snobs. Then I spent some time here and realized that nothing could be further from the truth. The myth of Newport snobbery was created by jealous Scottsdale people who feel the need to denigrate anything and everything they can't afford.

And no, I wasn't quick to judge Scottsdale. I wasted 7 years of my life there. I'm more than qualified to comment on it.

[AOYAS]

Originally Posted by nevercoldcall

TurcoLoco: Your post proves that you've never spent any time AT ALL in Newport Beach. It's very friendly, laid back, family oriented, and community oriented. People here are actually happy, they even smile and say "hi" to each other, something you're never going to see in Scottsdale!

Like you, I used to believe that Newport was full of rude snobs. Then I spent some time here and realized that nothing could be further from the truth. The myth of Newport snobbery was created by jealous Scottsdale people who feel the need to denigrate anything and everything they can't afford.

And no, I wasn't quick to judge Scottsdale. I wasted 7 years of my life there. I'm more than qualified to comment on it.

I'm sure Newport Beach will be happy to have you. Sounds like Scottsdale is down one of its so-called "rude, snobby residents"...

[uconn99]

For everyones reading enjoyment...



http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=58318

[AOYAS]

Originally Posted by uconn99

For everyones reading enjoyment...



http://www.eastvalleytribune.com/index.php?sty=58318

He he...funny! I definitely know some people like that. Though, I met WAAAAAAAAY more $30k millionaires when I lived in Los Angeles than I've met while living in Phoenix. Seemed like EVERYBODY in LA drove BMW's and carried Louis Vuitton bags, but lived in 450 square-foot studio apartments. So superficial. I'm sure we have our share of that type here, and not just in Scottsdale.

[nevercoldcall]

That's hilarious! And especially because it's all TRUE!!!

Of course, the saddest part is the fact that women are disappointed when they find out the guys aren't rich. Which means they're just shallow cheap golddiggers looking for rich men. That's a typical Scottsdale woman for you. They don't care one bit about who you are as a person, but only what you can buy them.

The worst thing in all this is that the guys with the $30,000 millionaire look get their butts kissed. Then I come along, the NY Times #1 bestselling author who has nothing to prove and looks like a regular guy on the surface, and in Scottsdale I got total disrespect everywhere I went. At least here in Newport Beach it's well known that the millionaires are the guys in the t-shirts and jeans, not the guys in the Prada suits. They're the "jerk0ffs with jobs" as they're known in Newport.

(I'm sure the insecure Scottsdale people here will try to paint a picture of Newport being full of fake men and golddigger women, but everyone reading this who has spent time here knows it's not true. It's a myth perpetuated by loser Scottsdale people who are jealous that they can't afford to live here.)

Scottsdale golddigger women are SO stupid because they're too dumb to know that rich guys don't work. They go for the guys in suits and designer clothes, and snub the guys in jeans. If they want rich men, then why do they go for men who are dressed like they have jobs?

Wait, why am I even trying to decipher the mind-boggling Scottsdale stupidity in the first place????

Props to the author of that article. It's nice to see the mainstream Arizona media telling the truth for a change.