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Old 02-19-2009, 01:48 AM
 
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Pools, from a pure investment perspective, are not a good investment. If you spend $40,000 to install one, you MIGHT, MIGHT, see an increase in value of your home by $15 / 20,000. So, if you want a pool, a home with an existing pool might be better.

Then again, if you are planning to STAY in your home for a long time, installing one might be OK.

We built our home and had a pool included. We have a Salt Water pool and absolutely love it. Maintenance is a breeze and chemicals are minimal. We spend a lot of time in, and around the pool - and do a lot of entertaining - with a lot outside (we incorporated an large outdoor kitchen area near the pool). We "live" in the pool so to speak. For us, the pool was almost a necessity. For you though - it might be different.

Good luck on your decision.
I agree with you in that sense. You don't recover the value of the cost of installing the pool. However, it does make your house more marketable when it comes time to sell your home. Also, 40K seems a bit steep to put in a pull especially with today's bad economy. You can have a pool installed for less than 30K now.
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Old 02-19-2009, 01:57 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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You can have a pool installed for less than 30K now.
Or, $75 to 100,000!
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:18 AM
 
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Could someone please explain the salt water pools? How much salt? It's not ocean water salty is it? What are the pros/cons of salt vs fresh water?

And what do people without pools do if you don't want to be inside sitting in air conditioning constantly when it's 100 degrees? I want to move to AZ in order to be outdoors more, not indoors.
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Old 02-19-2009, 07:32 AM
 
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Wow, lots of different perspectives. I'm not too concerned about resale value, because I'm hoping the next time I move I'll be dead. But I hadn't really thought about liability and kids jumping the fence to use the pool....

thanks
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Old 02-19-2009, 08:00 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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I'm with Greatday in that our pool is a part of our family lifestyle. It's a luxury item to be sure, as you don't need one to survive. We're in Kingman, so the traditional swimming season is shorter than Phoenix. However, we use the integrated spa portion of our pool year-round. There's nothing like looking up at the stars with a glass of wine in 102F swirling water after a long day at work, and I've become quite addicted to it.

We had our pool built as part of an overall backyard landscape project. We now have a tropical oasis where there was once a harsh and unfriendly moonscape. It sounds corny, but it changed our lives. As other have said, hanging out by the pool is a great bonding activity for the entire family.

Not all pools are created equally. We designed our pool for low maintenance by using an automated pool cover, in-floor cleaning system (no robot needed), and salt-water chlorine generator. So maintenance is about as easy as it gets, and the pool is always sparkling clean when we open the cover. However, this is not a $20K pool, and you probably won't find a home on the market with a pool like that. That's part of the advantage in building a pool yourself, you get it the way you want it.
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Old 02-19-2009, 08:22 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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Could someone please explain the salt water pools? How much salt? It's not ocean water salty is it? What are the pros/cons of salt vs fresh water?
The salt concentration is 1/16th that of sea water. It's barely salty when you taste it. The salt is used when you have a chlorine generator. The generator breaks down the salt into sodium and free chlorine. So it chlorinates the water. Oddly enough, the chlorine ends up rebinding with the sodium and reforming the salt. So in theory, you never need to add salt. However, with salt water losses due to splashing and other inefficiencies, you end up adding a bag of salt per year or so.

Salt water pros are that the generator keeps a much more consistent chlorine level than you'll probably accomplish by adding chlorine in the conventional manner. As a result you can also keep the chlorine concentration lower when you have a SWG (1 ppm is good). You rarely if ever need to shock a pool with an SWG. There's also something about the feel of the salt water that feels better on the skin than fresh water. Everybody who has a salt pool agrees with this, but nobody can explain why it is. Cons are that the SWG probably doesn't save any money because you need to replace the generator cell every few years, which will run you $800. So you haven't saved any money versus buying your chlorine. It's also one more gadget that can break. Although, they seem pretty reliable.
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Old 02-19-2009, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Could someone please explain the salt water pools? How much salt? It's not ocean water salty is it? What are the pros/cons of salt vs fresh water?

And what do people without pools do if you don't want to be inside sitting in air conditioning constantly when it's 100 degrees? I want to move to AZ in order to be outdoors more, not indoors.
Salt is poured into the pool water till its around 3000 part per million salt (one can taste it but barely and some can't taste it at all). A chlorine generator is added to the return lines which makes chlorine out of the salt. Pros are that it is pretty much hassle free chlorination. Some say the water "feels" better but that is subjective. Claims that salt water pools don't bleach hair, smell like chlorine etc are unfounded. The active ion is exactly the same whether one uses tabs, powder or a generator. Properly balanced pools don't smell. Generators do help in keeping the cholorine in the right range though, and that helps with those other issues. Cons are that the generators are expensive to buy and the element needs both periodic cleaning and replacing. The generators use some amount of electricity as well, but if you are on a time of day rate, the cost is pretty minimal. The generators also increase the pH of the water and you will use more acid than if you use cyanuric acid based tabs. It's hard to beat the convenience of a generator if you go out of town frequently.

A regular pool can be made into a salt water pool at any time. It is a relatively easy DIY project even.

I run my pool on tabs in the winter and the generator in summer to prolong the life of the generator. The pool requires hardly any chlorine when the water temp falls so it is no big deal to toss a tab in once a week or so.

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Old 02-19-2009, 08:26 AM
 
Location: San Jose, CA
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My pool at its deepest point is 18 feet deep and its like bath water in the summer>
18' deep? Yeah right.
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Old 02-19-2009, 09:09 AM
 
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What's funny is that in the midwest and even in southern California, people heat their pools in the summer because they want that bath water feel where they don't have to adjust to the cold water. I personally don't mind the fact that pool water is a perfect temperature when you get in
True, because in Southern Cal it cools down at night, so it's still a little chilly to get out most nights!
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Old 02-19-2009, 10:55 AM
 
Location: Pinal County, Arizona
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True, because in Southern Cal it cools down at night, so it's still a little chilly to get out most nights!
That's what Pool / Spa heaters are for
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