Is Maryvale a good area to buy properties and if not, how and why is it not a good area? (Phoenix: real estate, high crime)

[inaxg]

I heard about Maryvale not being a good area. How and why is it not a good area?? Is it worse that Zip Code 85009. How do they compare to 15th avenue and camelback??

What are the good areas to buy a property and what are the bad areas to avoid??

[caryberry]

Originally Posted by inaxg

I heard about Maryvale not being a good area. How and why is it not a good area?? Is it worse that Zip Code 85009. How do they compare to 15th avenue and camelback??

What are the good areas to buy a property and what are the bad areas to avoid??

MaryV has a long history of drug users and less than desirable population. The area is known for very high crime stats. Try to stay east of Central and Camelback - actually east of 51 is even better.

[azdr0710]

you get what you pay for.....

Maryvale was developed by legendary Phx developer John F Long in the late 1940s and 1950s as affordable housing for the post-war families....it's one of the original "model-home" mass-built subdivisions in the valley....its rep as cheap housing has lingered and that inevitably brings in those with less-than-stellar regard for neighborhood pride, which leads to poor property maintenance and appearance.....

John F Long's other big development was "Paradise Valley Oasis" in the area of 32nd St and Cactus/Thunderbird...it, too, has become a bit of a downscale area.....

if you're looking for areas to invest in, don't forget about "location, location, location"....you get what you pay for, so you'll pay a premium for desireable areas, but they'll probably hold their value, too.....there are pockets of in-town neighborhoods with obvious fantastic pride and great looking houses....Encanto, Willo are two of many, many such places....ask a realtor....drive around.....get a feel for areas.....

[Sonorio]

How about cheap and nice? Where I live now in the frozen Northeast is a little casual (you have to be a little tolerant about barking dogs and stuff) but it's safe, there are nice kids running around everywhere, my house on a lovely tree-lined street, it is so beautiful people talk about it, and it is appraised at $50,000.

Any Phoenix real estate sharks trolling these forums are welcome to pm me.

S

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by azdr0710

you get what you pay for.....

Maryvale was developed by legendary Phx developer John F Long in the late 1940s and 1950s as affordable housing for the post-war families....it's one of the original "model-home" mass-built subdivisions in the valley....its rep as cheap housing has lingered and that inevitably brings in those with less-than-stellar regard for neighborhood pride, which leads to poor property maintenance and appearance.....

You speak the truth! While John F. Long's intentions were good, I've said for a long time that creating neighborhoods specifically for lower/middle income residents results in an increasing presence of riff raff ... meaning gangs, drug houses, graffiti, lower class minorities, and higher crime. Housing should never be cheap if the intention is creating a pristine, family friendly, well maintained community. Cheap real estate brings in cheap people!

[pbenjamin]

Originally Posted by Valley Native

You speak the truth! While John F. Long's intentions were good, I've said for a long time that creating neighborhoods specifically for lower/middle income residents results in an increasing presence of riff raff ... meaning gangs, drug houses, graffiti, lower class minorities, and higher crime. Housing should never be cheap if the intention is creating a pristine, family friendly, well maintained community. Cheap real estate brings in cheap people!

Let me get this straight. Building homes that "lower/middle income" folks (or "cheap people" as you call them) can afford is a bad thing. Worse yet "lower class minorities" might be there. Just where, Mr. Potter, are these people supposed to live?

[Valley Native]

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

Let me get this straight. Building homes that "lower/middle income" folks (or "cheap people" as you call them) can afford is a bad thing. Worse yet "lower class minorities" might be there.

"Cheap" refers to the residents who use their properties as drug labs or "drop houses", let weeds grow crotch deep in the yards, park their beat up, oil dripping vehicles in the street, let their pets roam loose in the neighborhood, allow their kids to run amok & vandalize property, etc. They are NOT the people you want as neighbors! Unfortunately, many "affordable" neighborhoods attract these types, especially as the neighborhoods age. That's when you usually start seeing the seedy businesses pop up in the vicinity as well: payday loans, bail bonds, biker joints, "boob bars" (and many businesses in the area advertising "se habla español").

Originally Posted by pbenjamin

Just where, Mr. Potter, are these people supposed to live?

They can live anywhere their hearts desire ... but if they choose a section like Maryvale or elsewhere that is "affordable", they take the huge chance of having their neighborhood become undesirable. A house is an investment ... and I personally would much rather pay a higher price to live in a nicer area than "save a few bucks" for a cheaper house & risk losing valuation on my property (and feeling unsafe) due to the neighborhood turning into a slum over a period of time. That's exactly what happened with Maryvale, and other similar sections of Phoenix.

[suertegringo]

Does anyone who replied to this thread actually live in Maryvale? I lived near 87th Ave. and Osborn in the mid 90's and found it a reasonably quiet and safe neighborhood. I used to take my kids to Desert West Park, 59th-67th Ave & Encanto. Now I'm thinking about going back to Phoenix and I see some really low prices near that park. I'd like to hear from someone who actually lives there if possible.

[lildevil01]

I live in Maryvale I am white my neighborhood is pretty clean people take care of their properties don`t see much Graffiti .It is pretty quiet in the evenings see a police helicopter once in a while .I can`t say all Maryvale is nice just speaking for my area

[inaxg]

Originally Posted by Sonorio

How about cheap and nice? Where I live now in the frozen Northeast is a little casual (you have to be a little tolerant about barking dogs and stuff) but it's safe, there are nice kids running around everywhere, my house on a lovely tree-lined street, it is so beautiful people talk about it, and it is appraised at $50,000.

Any Phoenix real estate sharks trolling these forums are welcome to pm me.

S

Which city is that??