HOA shuts down a preschool (Tempe, Surprise: purchaser, gated, upkeep)

[observer53]

Originally Posted by slowbill

Why don't parents raise their kids? I don't think dropping a 3 year old off to a business is the right way to raise a kid. This might sound old fashion, but look at the conditions of familes today. Maybe mom or dad should raise the kids and do without the newer car or bigger house.

Well, this thread is going to get off topic fast!

There are lots of families with both parents working, but I am not going to make the stereotypical assumption that they are ALL doing it so they can buy more stuff and keep up with their neighbors.

There's problems in families in which one parent stays home, too. That's not the determining factor. It is a different world than in the days of the Nelsons and the Cleavers and the Reeds.

Back to topic.

[Foreverking]

Originally Posted by slowbill

Why don't parents raise their kids? I don't think dropping a 3 year old off to a business is the right way to raise a kid. This might sound old fashion, but look at the conditions of familes today. Maybe mom or dad should raise the kids and do without the newer car or bigger house.

Carefull, your going to open Pandoras Box here........Nope, Im going to resist..$%%#^@@^@%$@^%%%#

[kdog]

Originally Posted by slowbill

Why don't parents raise their kids? I don't think dropping a 3 year old off to a business is the right way to raise a kid. This might sound old fashion, but look at the conditions of familes today. Maybe mom or dad should raise the kids and do without the newer car or bigger house.

This is one of the most truly ignorant remarks I've ever seen in this forum, on so many levels.

[Captain Bill]

Originally Posted by slowbill

Why don't parents raise their kids? I don't think dropping a 3 year old off to a business is the right way to raise a kid. This might sound old fashion, but look at the conditions of familes today. Maybe mom or dad should raise the kids and do without the newer car or bigger house.

Everyone will have different opinions and are certainly entirled to them.

I'm one that believes in one parent staying at home to raise the children. My wife sacraficed a career in favor of being a stay at home mom and raising our children. I believe our kids were better off by having that parental guidance and constant support.

Two of my daughters also elected to sacrifice their careers to be stay at home moms and raise their own children. One is now going back to school part time to get a nursing degree so when her kids go to college and fly the coop, she will then embark on a career.

One was a comptroller, and quit her job to raise her kids. Fortunately she did because she had a son who was hyper active and it it took her a lot of time and patience to work with this child to overcome his problems. A day care would not have been able to deal with him.

Now he is a straight A high school student, plays in the band, plays on the junior football team, has a brown belt in karate and is working on his black belt. He's also working on his Eagle Scout badge. On top of it all, he has humility and many friends.

Had she elected to continue working and put this child in day care, he would most likely be an out of control teen ager today.

I believe children fare much better when they have a parent at home to provide constant love, guidance and support, and I have two generations of experience to base that opinion on.

[observer53]

I think the new topic in this thread needs to be taken elsewhere, for those who wish to discuss it.

[blisterpeanuts]

well, we've pretty much beaten the HOA issue to death, so why not talk about preschools which is somewhat related to the topic at hand.

It's worth noting that Obama wants to nationalize preschools. His election platform was going to strip the space program to pay for it. Now, I'm in favor of good quality schools (which a lot of preschools are not) but a nationalized program??? And we have to give up space exploration for it??? No, sir. Anyway it sounds like all that's gone by the wayside with all this "stimulatory" spending. We're going to be so deep in debt we won't have time to even think about educating our kids, let alone colonizing the planets. Let the Chinese and Russians take care of space; we can always rent berths on their ships if we need to go there (and why would we? if men were meant to fly, we'd have wings, right?).

[observer53]

Why don't you start a new thread, then, in one of the general forums? That discussion really doesn't belong in this thread, or on this forum. People who want to talk about preschools generally are not looking in this forum. The Terms of Use here DO talk about staying on topic. The original topic.

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by observer53

Why don't you start a new thread, then, in one of the general forums? That discussion really doesn't belong in this thread, or on this forum. People who want to talk about preschools generally are not looking in this forum. The Terms of Use here DO talk about staying on topic. The original topic.

What are you, a self-appointed forum cop? Chill out, or go away. I started this thread, and it was about a preschool.

[Esoteric76]

1. If people would take resposibility for there properties ther ewould be no need for HOAs. HOAs acually help the City by maintaining the properties and the Cities rarely have to get involved, it takes some load off the City. Most Cities are very back logged and it can take months for them to get to your complaints. People need to quit blaming the HOAs and take a little responsibility for themselves. If some one is breaking the rules and a single homeowner complains then the Board needs to respond or they can end up in the wrong end of a lawsuit, and who pays for that in the long run? EVERYONE!


2. Yes there bad HOAs and good HOAs, as there is good and bad in EVERYTHING. The CC&Rs are a contract, and if you did not read them then your at fault. Again, Responsibility.

3. There are definately zoning laws that could have an effect no matter if there is an HOA or not.

4. I have served on the board in my community for 4 years now, and every problem we have had it has been because a HOMEOWNER complained and pushed the issue, not the board. We are starting to have a problem with running businesses from homes in our neighborhood all because some home is filing complaints on some one else and our CC&Rs say that there are no businesses allowed in your home. The complainers are staying annonymous and are threasting to sue the homeowner if we do not do something about it. I am a huge advacate on working from home, and if there is no sign of it happening (obnoxious noise, traffic in and out, commercial deliveries, etc. etc.) then it should not matter. However we have to find out exactlly what we can and can not allow so we do not end up in deep yogurt. HOAs are a positive thing, it is the people that make them problems. It is iether bad board members or bad relentless homeowners. There needs to be more education on them from both sides so people can understand a little more, and even still you will nazi like, power hungry board members and wining, complaining homeowners. Just read your contract before you sign. We can thank all the homeowners who have no respect for themselves or their nieghbors as well as there homes or there nieghbors homes, and the massive growing lack of responsibility of people today for making HOAs so common.

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by Esoteric76

1. If people would take resposibility for there properties ther ewould be no need for HOAs. HOAs acually help the City by maintaining the properties and the Cities rarely have to get involved, it takes some load off the City.

Esoteric,
you make some good points, but isn't it true that HOA's require unanimous vote to change their rules? Whereas, a city or town is run by majority rule and it's a little easier to change things.

So even if a city is backlogged and kind of incompetent, I think I'd still prefer that over the HOA which seems a little too dictatorial.