WHY I HATE PHOENIX! Or is it Feeniks? (job, housing)

[Elmonellie]

This latest "phx s*cks" post is like a lot of the other uber-negative posts. Underlying their dislike of phx is usually a person who either did not fare well in this city, is a sad sack and unhappy with any place they live or a depressed and negative person generally.

Most of these people move here and don't connect with other people (personality problems most likely) and instead of a little introspection, blame the city for being "boring" with "nothing to do". I've always thought, when people say they are bored really they are saying that THEY are boring.

There are plenty of crappy areas of Phx, just like in any other large city. I live in a beautiful (to me) part of the area and have a good impression of Phx in general. I always have fun stuff to do and people to do it with. But, I've felt that way about the other places I've lived too. Those other cities were not perfect, but they all had wonderful things to see and do.

I don't guess the positive posters are going to change any minds...it's just sad when people choose to live in a place then project all their failures on to the city they CHOSE to live. And the ones that "can't" move....I call bs. If this is such a boring, ugly, miserable city you should move. Just another set of complaints as to "why I can't".

I lived in a place once that I didn't care for and figured out a way out. It wasn't easy, it was expensive and a little frightening picking up and moving after making a mistake, but I realized that it is my life and I have to make the choices to correct mistakes I've made and find a place that was my cup of tea. Nobody cares about your problems if you yourself don't try to fix them. That's why the negative posters get little sympathy from me.

Oh, well. That's my rant. I'm going to go for a walk in this great weather, in my beautiful neighborhood.

[jd433]

I am glad to see that we have come to an agreement. I admit that Phoenix is not a ghost town, you agree that Phoenix is not a boom town. It does have a fair amount of activities just like most cities. It is not like Fresno although maybe a little like El Paso (not in a bad way) Its neighborhoods are a little run down right now due to the housing situation.

[Greatday]

Find me ANY MAJOR METRO AREA, the age of Phoenix, that does not have some "run down" areas -

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Elmonellie

This latest "phx s*cks" post is like a lot of the other uber-negative posts. Underlying their dislike of phx is usually a person who either did not fare well in this city, is a sad sack and unhappy with any place they live or a depressed and negative person generally.

Most of these people move here and don't connect with other people (personality problems most likely) and instead of a little introspection, blame the city for being "boring" with "nothing to do". I've always thought, when people say they are bored really they are saying that THEY are boring.

There are plenty of crappy areas of Phx, just like in any other large city. I live in a beautiful (to me) part of the area and have a good impression of Phx in general. I always have fun stuff to do and people to do it with. But, I've felt that way about the other places I've lived too. Those other cities were not perfect, but they all had wonderful things to see and do.

I don't guess the positive posters are going to change any minds...it's just sad when people choose to live in a place then project all their failures on to the city they CHOSE to live. And the ones that "can't" move....I call bs. If this is such a boring, ugly, miserable city you should move. Just another set of complaints as to "why I can't".

I lived in a place once that I didn't care for and figured out a way out. It wasn't easy, it was expensive and a little frightening picking up and moving after making a mistake, but I realized that it is my life and I have to make the choices to correct mistakes I've made and find a place that was my cup of tea. Nobody cares about your problems if you yourself don't try to fix them. That's why the negative posters get little sympathy from me.

Oh, well. That's my rant. I'm going to go for a walk in this great weather, in my beautiful neighborhood.

Great post! Same here, taking my dog for a walk to the dog park with a few neighbors. Its only 94 degrees here with 7% humidity and a cool breeze. For comparison, its 91 degrees and 52% humidity in Houston, 90 degrees and 45% humidity in Atlanta, 97 degrees and 34% humidity in San Antonio, and 94 degrees and 40% humidity in Dallas. OUCH! The sidewalks downtown are shaded by buildings and trees and the park is also covered by trees.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by jd433

I am glad to see that we have come to an agreement. I admit that Phoenix is not a ghost town, you agree that Phoenix is not a boom town. It does have a fair amount of activities just like most cities. It is not like Fresno although maybe a little like El Paso (not in a bad way) Its neighborhoods are a little run down right now due to the housing situation.

I don't agree. Phoenix IS a boomtown. It is caught up in a national liquidity crisis and maybe recession, but it was, is and will be one of the fastest growing cities in the US for a long time. That's a boomtown to me.

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by jd433

I am glad to see that we have come to an agreement. I admit that Phoenix is not a ghost town, you agree that Phoenix is not a boom town. It does have a fair amount of activities just like most cities. It is not like Fresno although maybe a little like El Paso (not in a bad way) Its neighborhoods are a little run down right now due to the housing situation.

Phoenix is a boom town. Sorry, no one will agree with you. Enjoy the repressive heat in Houston.

[sberdrow]

Originally Posted by Elmonellie

This latest "phx s*cks" post is like a lot of the other uber-negative posts. Underlying their dislike of phx is usually a person who either did not fare well in this city, is a sad sack and unhappy with any place they live or a depressed and negative person generally.

Most of these people move here and don't connect with other people (personality problems most likely) and instead of a little introspection, blame the city for being "boring" with "nothing to do". I've always thought, when people say they are bored really they are saying that THEY are boring.

There are plenty of crappy areas of Phx, just like in any other large city. I live in a beautiful (to me) part of the area and have a good impression of Phx in general. I always have fun stuff to do and people to do it with. But, I've felt that way about the other places I've lived too. Those other cities were not perfect, but they all had wonderful things to see and do.

I don't guess the positive posters are going to change any minds...it's just sad when people choose to live in a place then project all their failures on to the city they CHOSE to live. And the ones that "can't" move....I call bs. If this is such a boring, ugly, miserable city you should move. Just another set of complaints as to "why I can't".

I lived in a place once that I didn't care for and figured out a way out. It wasn't easy, it was expensive and a little frightening picking up and moving after making a mistake, but I realized that it is my life and I have to make the choices to correct mistakes I've made and find a place that was my cup of tea. Nobody cares about your problems if you yourself don't try to fix them. That's why the negative posters get little sympathy from me.

Oh, well. That's my rant. I'm going to go for a walk in this great weather, in my beautiful neighborhood.

Yep, me too. Phoenix is my city. I escaped from a Place I hated, and I just love it here. It cost me over 30k of loss on the sale of our house, and of course the moving expenses. I plan to make that up in 6 months when I buy a home. Im going to make the seller pay out the nose, like my buyers did to me. Then I will be whole again. Meanwhile, Im living in a cool apartment with my wife and son, with TONS of things to do in this fantastic new city. I love the heat. Anything lower than 95 feels uncomfortable to me. I took a job I did not care for when I arrived, it only took me a day to find that one. I applied for another job 3 months later, and it only took me a day to find another one. I love the rocks formations, state parks, national parks, cacti, lakes and other recreation in the area.
BTW what does the OP mean when he/she calls phoenix "feeniks"

[jd433]

Originally Posted by Elmonellie

This latest "phx s*cks" post is like a lot of the other uber-negative posts. Underlying their dislike of phx is usually a person who either did not fare well in this city, is a sad sack and unhappy with any place they live or a depressed and negative person generally.

Most of these people move here and don't connect with other people (personality problems most likely) and instead of a little introspection, blame the city for being "boring" with "nothing to do". I've always thought, when people say they are bored really they are saying that THEY are boring.

There are plenty of crappy areas of Phx, just like in any other large city. I live in a beautiful (to me) part of the area and have a good impression of Phx in general. I always have fun stuff to do and people to do it with. But, I've felt that way about the other places I've lived too. Those other cities were not perfect, but they all had wonderful things to see and do.

I don't guess the positive posters are going to change any minds...it's just sad when people choose to live in a place then project all their failures on to the city they CHOSE to live. And the ones that "can't" move....I call bs. If this is such a boring, ugly, miserable city you should move. Just another set of complaints as to "why I can't".

I lived in a place once that I didn't care for and figured out a way out. It wasn't easy, it was expensive and a little frightening picking up and moving after making a mistake, but I realized that it is my life and I have to make the choices to correct mistakes I've made and find a place that was my cup of tea. Nobody cares about your problems if you yourself don't try to fix them. That's why the negative posters get little sympathy from me.

Oh, well. That's my rant. I'm going to go for a walk in this great weather, in my beautiful neighborhood.

It's almost 100 degrees out there today and you are taking a walk??

Actually I didn't have a huge failure in Phoenix I mostly had sucsess I moved there as a 30 year old from Seattle with no job just looking for some nice weather. I had no degree but had lots of ambition and Phoenix was the right place at the right time. I will admit that being that ultimately my sucsess was tied to the Housing market and I was frustrated when it collapsed. I was not left in ruins but after the collapse I was left wondering why I should still live in Phoenix. I had made a lot of close friends there but after all it is a desert and is incredibly hot in the summer. For the first time I began to see that maybe Phoenix wasn't the best place to live.

So I began to search the nation looking for the best place to live. I looked at Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Miami, Charlotte, Austin, San Antonio and even Raliegh Durham, YUK!! I visited all except Miami which I ruled out as having the same problems as Phoenix.

Now Atlanta was high on the list because it is booming and it has a lot of natural beauty and nice weather. But I wanted to be close to water and also wanted to have warmer winters than Atlanta has. This left me with San Antonio and Houston and I chose Houston because it is the bigger of the 2 and I didn't want to go through years of waiting for a city to grow like I did in Phoenix. Also Houston is going through a boom right now and has a very healthy diverse economy. It couldn't be killed by a housing bust like Phoenix was. Now oil thats a different story.

After carefully checking a lot of statistics about growth, the economy the history etc. I decided to move to Houston and because of this I am practically an expert on Houston as I spent countless hours studying statistics on Houston and the other Cities. Dallas was the runner up and would have been a good choice as well.

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by jd433

It's almost 100 degrees out there today and you are taking a walk??

Sure, why not? Lot's of us take walks, or play golf, on days like this.

Life does not stop -

[fcorrales80]

Originally Posted by Greatday

Sure, why not? Lot's of us take walks, or play golf, on days like this.

Life does not stop -

One more thing before I go, its currently 92 degrees right now, mostly cloudy, and 7% humidity. It is hotter and more humid in all the Texas cities. It feels very cool outside because of the wind, its blowing quite nicely and feels cool out there. Also, jd, no one disputes that Houston is growing like Phoenix and both are boom towns, but Phoenix is growing at a faster rate and its diversity is tied much less to housing than Houston is to oil, again something argue before countless times with you. We've provided all the links and statistics for you and other to read that show Phoenix consistently ranks higher for job growth, economic diversity, and population growth than Houston...and our weather is nicer.