Robbed Please All Read (lawyer, live in, law)

[azriverfan.]

Originally Posted by Bench Warmer

thats why crime is only getting worse.. We allow it to happen.. Don't get me wrong.. I don't want this place to be like some parts of the world.. But this country needs to grow a set of balls and start acting like a wolf pac... You kill the weak..


Prison doesn't work. It enables it. Then some kid grows up with out a parent, and the cycle continues.


It's too bad....

Or how about people take responsibility for their kids and actually act like parents! If you want to know why a kid is a degenerate, check out his parents. There are exceptions of course but 90% of the time, it's not difficult to see why some kids end up bad. It's not about having parents who are good people, it's about parents actually spending time with their kids, teaching them and enforcing some sense of discipline. People can blame money and other factors but it often comes down to a lack of effort. Parenting isn't easy; it's hard work which is why we have so many bad parents in this country because they are lazy and don't want to put in the time and effort. This is a cultural aspect. I've been to poorer countries with larger populations and there is less murders and crime there because their culture is superior.

[blisterpeanuts]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Anyone who breaks into your house can legally be assumed to have the intent to cause you grave bodily harm or death, and therefore you very much can kill them and not be prosecuted for it. AZ is a "stand your ground" state. I wouldn't shoot someone in the back who was running out of my house. But anyone who breaks into a house must be assumed to have the intent to kill you. What else are you gonna do? Ask them if they just want to rob you and then tell them it's ok as long as they don't rape your wife or daughter?

Legally, you can threaten, but not use, deadly force if someone is trying to steal your car in your driveway. If the thief is pretty smart, he'd know you'd be bluffing, as you cannot use deadly force in that case, just threaten it. Once they're in the house, the threshold is "if a reasonable person would conclude the intruder intends to cause grave bodily injury or death". Anyone who breaks into my house when I'm there will not be leaving on their own power. Since I work from home and don't answer my front door for anyone I'm not expecting, I'm usually home and there is no reason for anyone but my wife or me to be in my house.

In Massachusetts, you can't use deadly force against a home intruder unless you have reason to believe they are going to cause you bodily harm. And be able to prove it in court. Basically your only option is to evacuate your home. And if you use a gun, you damn well better have a license to own one or it's an automatic two years in prison.

In D.C. a couple of years ago some dude shot a car thief out in the parking lot of a public housing project. He got prosecuted for it. Car theft was rampant in this place and this guy was just fed up with it. I don't know what happened in the end, but knowing D.C., he's doing time now. Meanwhile back at the projects, car thieves continue to operate with impunity.

Yeah I lean towards frontier justice sometimes, but on the other hand I wouldn't want to execute the wrong guy. It's a balance between justice and protecting the innocent.

I would like to see more chain gangs and hard labor. I hear some of these guys have computers, internet access, drugs, knives, liquor, cell phones, you name it. When did prison turn into a country club?

[Rick Lee]

Originally Posted by blisterpeanuts

Yeah I lean towards frontier justice sometimes, but on the other hand I wouldn't want to execute the wrong guy. It's a balance between justice and protecting the innocent.

Anyone who breaks into your house is not innocent. And there's no chance of killing the wrong guy if you're the only person who belongs in your house and you kill an intruder. While I wish it were legal to kill car thieves, it's not and I'd not be willing to go to jail for it. Breaking into my house is a deadly threat to me and will be met with deadly force.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

Anyone who breaks into your house is not innocent. And there's no chance of killing the wrong guy if you're the only person who belongs in your house and you kill an intruder. While I wish it were legal to kill car thieves, it's not and I'd not be willing to go to jail for it. Breaking into my house is a deadly threat to me and will be met with deadly force.

Then be prepared to pay for it, if the circumstances don't justify your actions. (and I don't mean just with money)

[Rick Lee]

I'd rather be alive and take my chances than dead with no chances. Also, AZ law prohibits civil lawsuits against people who've been involved in legally justifiable shoots.

[JDish2000]

I read that the front door was kicked in...

Yet another argument to have a security screen door.

We enjoy ours tremendously during the cooler months, leaving it open all night (locked of course) for air flow.

I know they are not for everyone, and growing up my folks never bothered with one because they had an A/C system that also piggy-backed a swamp cooler (they felt they didn't need open doors for airflow).

[YAZ]

Originally Posted by Rick Lee

I'd rather be alive and take my chances than dead with no chances. Also, AZ law prohibits civil lawsuits against people who've been involved in legally justifiable shoots.

Ditto.



I love our "shall issue" state.

[Rick Lee]

I've heard AZ wants to get rid of the licensing requirement for concealed carry (making us like VT and AK), but DPS has become dependent on the fee income and won't give it up. Anyway, you can always have a gun at home or open carry.

[YAZ]

I kinda like the CCW permit as it requires you to get "trained". I took the class in Michigan (reciprocal law in AZ), but when I became a resident here I had to get an AZ permit for CCW.

70 bucks and some time, but worth it I s'pose.

Hey, I had the opportunity to shoot my instructor's .50 caliber.

Many of us grew up with firearms and know how to use 'em. I propose a "test" with a minimal fee to demonstrate knowledge and skill.

[MotleyCrew]

I would gladly donate 2 years of my freedom to save my family.