06-25-2009, 04:23 PM
Location: Mesa, Az
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Somewhat off-topic here:
I have noticed that cigar/pipe smokers tend to be a lot more laid back than cigarette ones.
As for casinos; my G/F and I went to one a few months back and it seemed to me that smokers there are starting to become thin on the ground as well
06-25-2009, 04:48 PM
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Yes, the prices are high. And, yes, cigarette smoking is dangerous. So are chemtrails. So are the pesticides in our foods. So is the pit bull down the street and my neighbor's bald tires. So is the irate father who just got laid off and had his house taken back by the bank - the very house that he has been slaving away for years to pay in order to provide his children a home. So is the 6 o'clock news and overworked drivers. So is the rejected or bullied teen at your local school. So is porn. So are tattoos. So is red meat. So are parades. So are snakes and scorpions and feather pillows. And marhmellows and apples. Face it, danger lies everywhere and we can't send our trembling selves under a rock in an attempt to hide from it. We can't ban it and tax it to remove it. It is part of life. Banning and taxing a specific group of people is just one of the many ways we are losing our 'freedom'. To target and punish any group of people because you 'fear' them is the exact same thing as 'terrorism'. To see how ridiculous this whole 'target-smokers-because-smoking-may-be-dangerous' mindframe is visit
Ban Man - and let's smoke in bars! (Ban Man). Seriously, everything is dangerous.
06-25-2009, 05:35 PM
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Yes, the prices are high. And, yes, cigarette smoking is dangerous. So are chemtrails. So are the pesticides in our foods.
Yeah, pesticides in our food is equivalent to smoking a pack of cigarettes. It's obvious to see which members smoke on this thread. This is getting ridiculous now.
06-25-2009, 05:39 PM
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As for casinos; my G/F and I went to one a few months back and it seemed to me that smokers there are starting to become thin on the ground as well
I definitely noticed this in Las Vegas.
06-25-2009, 06:18 PM
Location: Casa Grande, AZ
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just as an FYI as it now has become relevant, there is a bill going through the legislature that would make it a crime to smoke in your car with any passenger under the age of 18 ....... not sure of it's current status, but it's definitely there
Will that include my dog? Probably....
AZRiver..I do transcription, primarily urology right now, and whether or not someone smokes is a pertinent factor in every exam I type, as smoking affects bladder, kidneys, prostate health, and sexual function, etc. I have noticed a lot of people quitting, but not because of the tax, but just general knowledge or personal health issues.
Needless to say, I am not 'smart' yet and do smoke, but not in my house, not with my grandkids in the car, not in restaurants if allowed, as I don't like it either. I cannot stand going in a bar with people smoking, I get overload very quickly.
Candy bars everywhere I have seen are taxed, they are considered fast food...
06-25-2009, 06:18 PM
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I definitely noticed this in Las Vegas.
People are really getting sick and tired of it. I went to the Sahara casino yesterday. They now have $1 blackjack tables
now so I thought I would check it out. I went to one of the tables which had an open spot. I kid you not, the guy next to me grabbed the ashtray and said "please tell me you are not going to smoke" I told him I do not smoke, and then everyone at the table said "thank God!" They told me the guy sitting there before me was smoking and making everyone sick. Smokers just do not understand how much it affects everyone around them. I can be a little annoying when I am drunk
, but it no way compares to what smokers do to people around them.
06-25-2009, 06:51 PM
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People are really getting sick and tired of it. I went to the Sahara casino yesterday. They now have $1 blackjack tables
now so I thought I would check it out. I went to one of the tables which had an open spot. I kid you not, the guy next to me grabbed the ashtray and said "please tell me you are not going to smoke" I told him I do not smoke, and then everyone at the table said "thank God!" They told me the guy sitting there before me was smoking and making everyone sick. Smokers just do not understand how much it affects everyone around them. I can be a little annoying when I am drunk
, but it no way compares to what smokers do to people around them.
Agreed, I have noticed a trend in Vegas. 10 years ago, you could go to any hotel and the number of chain smokers didn't seem to vary from hotel to hotel. Now, there seems to be noticeably less smokers in the nicer hotels like Bellagio, Venetian, Caesars etc versus the Monte Carlo, Excalibur, Luxor. It seems like the more run down casinos tend to have the most smokers. The hardcore smokers and drinkers don't like going to the strip. They enjoy going to the small casinos off the strip so that they can smoke up a chimney and not have anyone complain.
06-25-2009, 06:57 PM
Location: Surprise, Az
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I smoke cigars (1-3 per week). I hate cigarettes but still think it is an individual choice. I also agree with the post stating we have moved on to Nanny State status in the US.
06-26-2009, 01:01 AM
Location: Phoenix
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Sure.
Especially the teenagers. A cost prohibitive activity, if you will.
I'm worried that they'll just spend their cash on meth.
It's prob'ly cheaper.
I'm not sure about the "effectiveness" though. Prohibition had an impact on the "legal" part of the booze business. It sure didn't stop the use of alcohol. I think "awareness" is a much better deterrent than simply taxing the hell out of such "activities".
If taxing "sins" has such a small impact on use (or abuse), then why bother?
My argument is strong; and I think you agree with me somewhat. It's a revenue generating idea. Nothing more.
As a cardiologist, I respect your opinion. But the fiscal opportunities of our government have taken on an almost "exploitive" behavior. Candy bars are next, trust me.
Meth is around $200 a gram, I doubt teenagers will be getting their hands on that for many many years.
06-26-2009, 02:03 AM
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AZRiver..I do transcription, primarily urology right now, and whether or not someone smokes is a pertinent factor in every exam I type, as smoking affects bladder, kidneys, prostate health, and sexual function, etc. I have noticed a lot of people quitting, but not because of the tax, but just general knowledge or personal health issues.
That's because smoking is a standard part of the social history in any history & physical exam. This pertains to all fields of medicine. And yes it does impact the renal system significantly as bladder cancer is significantly influenced by smoking. I'm sure you see a lot of painless hematuria associated with that right? I never said the tax was the primary reason for people quitting but that it was a factor
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People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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now so I thought I would check it out. I went to one of the tables which had an open spot. I kid you not, the guy next to me grabbed the ashtray and said "please tell me you are not going to smoke" I told him I do not smoke, and then everyone at the table said "thank God!" They told me the guy sitting there before me was smoking and making everyone sick. Smokers just do not understand how much it affects everyone around them. I can be a little annoying when I am drunk
