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Unread 07-10-2009, 08:07 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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They have had the lagging left turn arrows for several years- - based on studies that indicated that those are safer, with fewer left turn accidents, and improve traffic flow. I've encountered them in other places, too, but I think they are still the only city in the Valley with them. I think other cities in the Valley have considered them; perhaps there are studes going both ways, like there are on so many issues.

I actually do like them, and am used to the fact that when I am in Scottsdale, the rules will be different.
Gilbert perhaps?

One thing that is annoying along McKellips Rd that one intersection (McClintock/Hayden) has the laggers whereas another 1 mile away has leading left turn arrows (S'dale Rd).

And; we will not discuss the Salt River rez; despite it being its own entity, in the phone book its addresses are listed as being in Scottsdale.
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Unread 07-10-2009, 08:29 AM
 
Location: South Tempe, AZ
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So is a green left-turn arrow, less green in comparison to the green light and thus a right-turn arrow even less green than that??? They look the same color to me so I usually drive through the light like I would any green light. Is there an extra step one must take when going through a green arrow that doesn't exist for just a green light? Is ADOT, Phoenix Streets and Transportation Department/Scottsdale Streets and Transportation trying to confuse us? Are we NOT supposed to drive through a green left-turn arrow? I get it Simon didn't say...it's all clear now...LOL, I am just having fun with this thread and I couldn't sleep and only an hour until I start my tortillas for breakfast...ugh! Let me start the coffee!

Um yeah, Scottsdale is the only city with the totally hip, delayed green-turn arrow; I mean like, heeeelllooooooooo! It's totally exclusive and like costs a fortune to program the lights to work that way. Sooo kewl!

LOL, its the sleep depravation and coffee talking! Plus I can totally picture a Scottsdale femme fatale saying that! LOL
Enough, fc... come back when you have had some sleep!
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Unread 07-10-2009, 11:20 AM
 
Location: Casa Grande, AZ (May 08)
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Most of the lights down here in Casa Grande are laggard lefts too. Its slightly better than the leading kind in my view because as someone said, they dont show a RED left turn when the regular green is on (they show nothing at all as far as arrows during this time) and as such if traffic is clear i can make a left at any time. If traffic never clears I still get to turn left on the arrow (which comes on only after the regular light turns red).

Whereas typically leading green arrows show a RED ARROW after the turn cycle is over, and hence you must wait for the next GREEN ARROW to turn. Least that is the way it is in CA (where I never saw a lagging left at all).
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Unread 07-10-2009, 11:46 AM
 
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we have them in goodyear and is prefer it so much more .... especially if it's not just a dedicated arrow that allows the turn

by that I mean you enter the intersection on a full green, go through with caution and if you don't get your turn in you'll have an arrow to get you through

so much nicer than having the arrow first where people tend to not get prepared to go as quickly and then you have 2-3 cars that are pushing it as the light goes full green leaving a dangerous situation that at best slows down the traffic
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Unread 07-10-2009, 02:56 PM
 
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The other nice thing is that it lets the main body of cars go forward first. If you've ever wanted to get in the left turn lane, but couldn't because you were stuck behind a few cars, you had to watch the left turn light expire before you could get in the left turn lane. When lagging, the main body moves first, allowing you to casually slide into the left turn lane and still have a good of getting through that cycle.
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Unread 07-10-2009, 03:02 PM
 
Location: car guy in Phoenix AZ
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we have them in goodyear and is prefer it so much more .... especially if it's not just a dedicated arrow that allows the turn

by that I mean you enter the intersection on a full green, go through with caution and if you don't get your turn in you'll have an arrow to get you through

so much nicer than having the arrow first where people tend to not get prepared to go as quickly and then you have 2-3 cars that are pushing it as the light goes full green leaving a dangerous situation that at best slows down the traffic
example in Goodyear, if you are northbound on Litchfield Road negotiating a westbound turn at McDowell, you will sit yielding to southbound litchfield rd traffic, then the light goes yellow, and you worry about going red, but then IT DOES GO RED, THEN IT GOES GREEN ARROW! WT HEck!
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Unread 07-10-2009, 03:20 PM
 
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Wow, Karma- I'm surprised that you are so befuddled by SCOTTSDALE'S arrows since you live in this giant dump of a town, Gilbert. You never noticed that your hometown ALSO has the lagging green arrows? Very curious indeed.

I guess you were so enchanted by all of the dumpiness of Gilbert that you failed to notice how the lights were timed. It happens.
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Unread 07-10-2009, 03:47 PM
 
Location: South Tempe, AZ
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Wow, Karma- I'm surprised that you are so befuddled by SCOTTSDALE'S arrows since you live in this giant dump of a town, Gilbert. You never noticed that your hometown ALSO has the lagging green arrows? Very curious indeed.

I guess you were so enchanted by all of the dumpiness of Gilbert that you failed to notice how the lights were timed. It happens.
Perhaps I'm just sleepy and your post is in jest, but Karma doesn't live in Gilbert.
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Unread 07-10-2009, 03:50 PM
 
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I don't think Karma lives in Gilbert. . . .
On another thread she/he recently said that he/she has lived in Gilbert for 3 years and that it's a total dump. It struck me as odd that someone who has lived in this dump for three whole years (longer than me, even!) would not have noticed the lagging arrows....
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Unread 07-10-2009, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Tempe
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On another thread she/he recently said that he/she has lived in Gilbert for 3 years and that it's a total dump. It struck me as odd that someone who has lived in this dump for three whole years (longer than me, even!) would not have noticed the lagging arrows....
I wouldn't worry about Karma they seem to just love to stir things up, and make pointless threads. See this one as an example.
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