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Old 07-22-2009, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Maple Lake, MN
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They didn't bring enough water IN THE FIRST PLACE for the whole group to be out for FOUR AND A HALF HOURS hiking in South Mountain Park, where there is NO shade and the trails are hardly flat, on a hot day. By the time he collapsed, he was probably too far gone even if they had accepted water from anyone else.
He probably was too far gone, but what stopped them before that point..in my mind no excuse no matter who it is...you don't leave without being prepared, heat or cold...
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Old 07-23-2009, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Cave Creek, AZ USA
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Those adults need to be charged with criminal neglect, no matter how hard they tried to save the kid. There is no excuse for being unprepared in Phoenix in July and adults are supposed to be responsible for kids. Not bringing enough water is inexcusable. I had a tire blowout on July 4th near Searchlight, NV. I wasn't worried at all (other than how much is was gonna cost me). I had three liters of water, three cell phones on two carriers, a gun, a knife and a flashlight. I wasn't uncomfortable at all.
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Old 07-23-2009, 02:04 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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I go hiking at South Mtn park all the time but NEVER in mid summer - that aside OK I live here so I know better but still - 4.5 hours!
WTF were these people doing? Some sort of endurance test?
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Old 07-23-2009, 05:08 PM
 
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I understand about people needing to be accountable for their own kids, dislike of 'big brother' and ugly signs, and our current lack of a proper budget, but it might help if they post a sign warning about dehydration(kind of like they do for forest fires elsewhere) at each of the main trailheads at South Mountain, or maybe instead a larger sign in the parking areas. Maybe something with pictures, too, so that people won't ignore it. I don't know. It might help to prevent this from happening again?
I've been hiking at South Mountain Park many times and maybe they've already got something like that posted...but I haven't noticed it. What do you think? I know South Mountain has tons of trails but some signage is better than nothing?
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:15 PM
 
Location: Surprise, Az
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I understand about people needing to be accountable for their own kids, dislike of 'big brother' and ugly signs, and our current lack of a proper budget, but it might help if they post a sign warning about dehydration(kind of like they do for forest fires elsewhere) at each of the main trailheads at South Mountain, or maybe instead a larger sign in the parking areas. Maybe something with pictures, too, so that people won't ignore it. I don't know. It might help to prevent this from happening again?
I've been hiking at South Mountain Park many times and maybe they've already got something like that posted...but I haven't noticed it. What do you think? I know South Mountain has tons of trails but some signage is better than nothing?
I can see a sign at the entrance. sort of like the Don't feed the bear signs. Of course, it does no good....but at least you have been warned.

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Old 07-24-2009, 12:20 PM
 
Location: Tempe
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I friend of mine join the Phoenix PD last year and in bootcamp the had them running around South Mountain on a 110+ day and he blacked out from heat exhaustion.
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Southern Arizona
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I friend of mine join the Phoenix PD last year and in bootcamp the had them running around South Mountain on a 110+ day and he blacked out from heat exhaustion.
Good point, Loco . . . and he was an experienced "in shape" individual.
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:38 PM
 
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:40 PM
 
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Good point, Loco . . . and he was an experienced "in shape" individual.
Heat exhaustion is different from Heat stroke. Heat exhaustion is less severe and is fairly common. The person didn't die. This is far different. When people suffer from heat stroke and die of hyperthermia, you develop what's called anhidrosis or non-sweating, the person's skin is dry and it's a really bad sign.
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:44 PM
 
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Hmm I guess there have been conflicting news reports. On channel 3 news today they said he collapsed and they used the last 7-8 water bottles on him
It would be too late at that point. If his core body temperature had reached that level, the first thing you do is cool him down in an emergency setting by putting cool wet towels on him and then using fans to blow through evaporative cooling or placing ice packs in his groin and axilla not forcing fluids down hsi throat. You are supposed to drink water in advance and keep yourself hydrated in advance
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