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Just like the outskirts of Phoenix metro going virtually any direction.
Actually the Sonoran is very green. No dead grasslands just green cacti, sage bush, trees, and red mountains! No dead "grass" that looks absolutely awful. Also, the desert flora and fauna blooms marvelously multiple times a year. Also, there are mountains in EVERY direction outside of Phoenix except going in the southwesterly direction after the Estrellas for the most part.
Well this is old, but if you look at skin cancer death rates as specified by your link Colorado and Arizona ARE the same:
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2.8 to 3.1 Arizona, Colorado, Florida, Indiana, Kansas, Maryland, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, North Carolina, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Virginia, and Wisconsin
This is for 2005 so there is almost 5 years of data that is missing. Latest I heard CO and AZ were still similar and the same for all rates including death....
I'm not reading the whole thread, but Tempe is by far the most liberal city in AZ (much like Boulder in the Denver area). Hell, Tempe had a gay mayor back in the early 90's when it was still a big deal. It is the most densely populated city in AZ, with the best public transportation available. If you want a liberal area, look at Tempe and Central Phoenix, and nowhere else in the metro area.
I'm not reading the whole thread, but Tempe is by far the most liberal city in AZ (much like Boulder in the Denver area). Hell, Tempe had a gay mayor back in the early 90's when it was still a big deal. It is the most densely populated city in AZ, with the best public transportation available. If you want a liberal area, look at Tempe and Central Phoenix, and nowhere else in the metro area.
Pretty true; wasn't Neil Giuliano mayor in the early 2000's? The whole metro area is gay friendly with the exception of Mesa. Not that it is particularly hostile but it is just the least gay of any city in metro Phoenix. Chandler even has gay bars where as Mesa does not; at least I don't think so. LOL, btw I always thought Neil was cute in a HGN kind of way...don't tell my BF!
I'm not reading the whole thread, but Tempe is by far the most liberal city in AZ (much like Boulder in the Denver area). Hell, Tempe had a gay mayor back in the early 90's when it was still a big deal. It is the most densely populated city in AZ, with the best public transportation available. If you want a liberal area, look at Tempe and Central Phoenix, and nowhere else in the metro area.
I am not that 'liberal' anymore; but, I do happen to like Tempe a lot; hell, I work one mile from Tempe Marketplace.
Actually the Sonoran is very green. No dead grasslands just green cacti, sage bush, trees, and red mountains! No dead "grass" that looks absolutely awful. Also, the desert flora and fauna blooms marvelously multiple times a year.
*Very* green? Compared to what ... Death Valley? Besides, whatever blooms doesn't last long even with plentiful rainfall and in many cases is almost totally absent during shortages.
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Also, there are mountains in EVERY direction outside of Phoenix except going in the southwesterly direction after the Estrellas for the most part.
Guess if you squint hard enough there's mountains in 'nearly all' directions.
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Well this is old, but if you look at skin cancer death rates as specified by your link Colorado and Arizona ARE the same:
Your originally posted 'Skin cancer in Colorado is as much a problem compared to Arizona because of the percentage of sunny days.'
Look at the link again. Incidence is a problem too. Combination of incidence + deaths is greater in AZ, thus it IS a bigger problem.
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This is for 2005 so there is almost 5 years of data that is missing. Latest I heard CO and AZ were still similar and the same for all rates including death....
*Very* green? Compared to what ... Death Valley? Besides, whatever blooms doesn't last long even with plentiful rainfall and in many cases is almost totally absent during shortages.
Have you been to Phoenix, Arizona, or parts of the Sonoran desert? From this post I'd say NO! LOL All one has to do is look around. Also, larges swaths of the Sonoran receives more precipitation than Wyoming and Colorado.
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Tundra occurs on the San Francisco Peaks near Flagstaff, Arizona, which rise above timberline to 12,600 feet. There, only 45 miles (72 km) from the northernmost saguaros of the Sonoran Desert, can be found some of the same plant species that grow in Alaska.
Thornscrub looks like a wet desert, and that's essentially what it is. It is intermediate between the desert and tropical forest biomes. The Sonoran Desert gradually merges into thornscrub in Arizona, Sonora and southern Baja Calfornia, Mexico. Part of the Sonoran Desert was recently reclassified as thornscrub, and other parts may soon be as well.
The Sonoran Desert prominently differs from the other three North American Deserts in having mild winters; most of the area rarely experiences frost. About half of the biota is tropical in origin, with life cycles attuned to the brief summer rainy season. The winter rains, when ample, produce huge populations of annuals (which comprise half of the species in our flora).
The Sonoran Desert is an arid region covering 120,000 square miles in southwestern Arizona and southeastern California, as well as most of Baja California and the western half of the state of Sonora, Mexico. Subdivisions of this hot, dry region include the Colorado and Yuma deserts. Irrigation has produced many fertile agricultural areas, including the Coachella and Imperial valleys of California. Warm winters attract tourists to Sonora Desert resorts in Palm Springs, California, and Tucson and Phoenix, Arizona.
A distinctly bimodal rainfall pattern produces a high biological diversity. Winter storms from the Pacific nourish many West Coast annuals such as poppies and lupines, while well-developed summer monsoons host both annuals and woody plants originating from the south. Freezing conditions can be expected for a few nights in winter.
Guess if you squint hard enough there's mountains in 'nearly all' directions.
Yeah, I take it you haven't been to Phoenix from both these two comments. The West are the White Tanks, North are the Bradshaws, South are the Estrellas and South Mountain, east are the Superstitions, and north east are Four Peaks and the climb up to the Rim Country and White Moutains; that's why Phoenix in in a VALLEY.
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Your originally posted 'Skin cancer in Colorado is as much a problem compared to Arizona because of the percentage of sunny days.'
Look at the link again. Incidence is a problem too. Combination of incidence + deaths is greater in AZ, thus it IS a bigger problem.
I did and you are wrong. You should re-read your link and look at current information. AZ NOR Colorado are in the top 10 for skin cancer rates and new cases but AZ and CO are close in rates including death.
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Skin Cancer is a serious and potentially deadly disease. It is also the most common form of cancer in the United States. Coloradans are at especially high risk. The incidence of melanoma in this state is nearly 30% higher than U.S. rates and continues to rise.
The Colorado Department of Public Health and Environment (CDPHE) is involved in numerous skin cancer prevention programs and projects to help educate Coloradans about the dangers of overexposure to ultraviolet (UV) radiation and the importance of prevention.
Estimated New Cases of Melanoma by State *
1. California – 6,680
2. Florida – 4,380
3. Texas – 3,860
4. Pennsylvania – 3,120
5. New York – 3,070
6. Ohio – 2,390
7. New Jersey – 2,210
8. Michigan – 2,080
9. Illinois – 2,050
10. Massachusetts – 1,820 Top 10 States for Melanoma - The Skin Cancer Foundation
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This is the mindset I had on my trips to Denver but was surprised how different the city is compared to Phoenix. It's downtown isn't really that much more impressive and the gay areas were small. Although I don't think a concrete and solidly defined gayborhood is a necessity it does make a city feel more urban, diverse, and progressive. There are multiple areas in Phoenix and throughout the Valley that would make "diverse" neighborhoods in Denver seem teeny tiny. There are areas in PHoenix that are not just gay but just hugely diverse and open. It didn't feel this way anywhere in Denver.
I don't think San Fran and L.A. are close cousins at all. Maybe San Fran and Seattle, but L.A. and Phoenix are actually more closely related than Denver and Phoenix. I'd consider Denver a closer cousin to Albuquerque or maybe Minneapolis. A lot of the protesters and anti-gay epitaphs were shouted at us AT the actual Pride event and not in some random spot outside the city or in a more suburban area. This has never and would never happen in Phoenix. Protesters at PRIDE??? What is that? I know there are some cities with huge anti-Pride protesters like Dallas, Atlanta, Charleston, St. Louis, Minneapolis, etc but didn't expect it in so-called liberal Denver. Still, that was very discouraging and disheartening for a reputed "liberal" city. It just wasn't and did not feel that way one bit. I have friends that also moved to Phoenix from Denver and they notice the stark difference. Many gay clubs in Phoenix are in huge minority (latino) neighborhoods and are welcomed and supported. Try that in Denver! Just will not happen.
As for urban development, Phoenix is much closer and will be able to have a larger urban core than Denver in the near future. We have a ways to go to catch up to Seattle and less distance to San Diego but it won't be impossible. I like how the city of Phoenix is focusing on density downtown and have alleviated height restrictions in midtown and uptown. I've said it before, downtown doesn't need to be dense and extremely tall but dense and tall. The other two urban cores can be home to extremely tall skyscrapers and this is the city's plan.
As for MiamiMan; we've had this discussion before. From his home and area of the metro he can't even see the buildings and high-rises in the Central City. He is on the other side of the Papagos, Camelback, the mountain preserves, etc. Even if we could transplant the Willis (Sears) Tower downtown he wouldn't be able to see it, LOL!
I am a 25 year old, gay, liberal male who lives in Denver. I have found the city to be very gay friendly. In my 5 years of living here, I've never had anyone call called any derogatory terms. In all honesty, I haven't seen very many people "protesting" at the gay pride parade. In fact, Denver's pride parade is the 7th largest in the U.S.
Denver does have many diverse neighborhoods, with a population that is a great mix of gay and straight people. The most notable is the Capitol Hill neighborhood. Same goes for Uptown, Washington Park, and Congress Park. Our largest gay club is in the Five Points, a traditionally minority neighborhood (made up primarily of African American residents). Another large cluster of gay bars are located along Broadway between Alameda and 1st Avenue. These bars are mixed in with tons of straight bars/clubs in the up-and-coming SoCo neighborhood. It seems to me that the straight people in these areas welcome the diversity.
I'm sorry that you had a different perception of Denver as a visitor. I have never had an issue being gay here. No one really cares. One thing I really like about Denver is the live and let live attitude.
I was at a convention in the wintertime in Denver. I slipped on a patch of ice and banged myself pretty good. Denver is a bad city to walk around drunk in the winter. Phoenix would be a better choice for that.
Well, I think this statement just completely answered the question=)
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No dead "grass" that looks absolutely awful. Also, the desert flora and fauna blooms marvelously multiple times a year. 
Also, there are mountains in EVERY direction outside of Phoenix except going in the southwesterly direction after the Estrellas for the most part. 
All one has to do is look around. Also, larges swaths of the Sonoran receives more precipitation than Wyoming and Colorado. 
Just will not happen. 
