12-19-2006, 11:22 PM
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Our family is considering relocating to Phoenix area from Wisconsin. We are looking for honest opinions, as free from bias as possible from the likes of those who are disgruntled or make money from relocatees.
Honest opinion? Phoenix is an 'anti-city' and it stinks because it is a sh1t-hole! It has no urban character at all, it has high polution, dust, strip malls and cookie-cutter houses, and ugly bland post-1980 construction. People don't walk anywhere because there is nowhere to walk to, and Phoenix is the most car-reliant 'city' that I have ever had the misfortune of spending time in, further adding to the ever-increasing polution that is ingulfing the valley area.
People are not friendly and welcoming to newcomers because of the amount of people that have arrived in the city in recent times, and the crime and polution that has increased along with it. There is a reason that the Phoenix metro area finishes so terribly low in the world's most liveable city list. It is not even the slightest bit close to the equal winning cities of Melbourne Australia, Vancouver BC Canada, and Vienna, Austria, nor the hundreds of other cities that rated higher than Phoenix.
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We know it is hot and we know that there is crime (where is there not in a large metro area?).
What sort of question is that? Where is there not crime in a large metro area, or the more realistic, where is there less crime in a large metro area? If it is less crime that you are wanting the answer to, then I can name hundreds of cities around the world and in the US that has less crime than the Phoenix metro area.
Phoenix ranks as the 19th most dangerous metropilitan area in the US, and it continues to rise each year. Crystal meth is more of a problem in Phoenix than anywhere else in the world, and it ranks in the top-3 for car theft. Shootings, murder, rape and other violent crime is high, and the cocaine trade between Phoenix, Tucson and the Mexican border is uncontrollable.
By the way it is hot, so hot that the radio announcers will advise you not to look at other drivers in the heat if you don't want to be shot by angry, hot meth-heads. I could go on about the state of the hot, low-pressure water, and other utility problems too, along with the problems of growth and the nightmare that it is for city planners. Phoenix is the poster-child for reasons to not build a city in the desert.
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And we know there is a commute (again, where is there not in a large metro area?)
The Phoenix metro area is about 4 million counted and 46,000 square kms of repeatitive construction that all looks the same. It is an ugly, sprawling suburban wasteland! To put it into context, NYC metro area is only 40,000 square kms for about 18 million people. Atlanta is around 31,000 square kms for about 5.4 million. Sydney is about 30,000 square kms for about 4.2 million people.
People drive in Phoenix like no other city in the world per capita, and there is not any public transport either.
12-20-2006, 12:05 AM
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What is the deal with people hating on Phoenix so much? Wow, if you don't like it...move on, no one is forcing you here. I've never seen such deep hate for a place like I've seen on here.
12-20-2006, 12:07 AM
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I am possibly relocating to the Phoenix from Tacoma, WAshington to be closer to family, but it sounds very congested, high crime rate, poor schooling, super hot, and full of cookie cuutter homes with strip malls...
There is no positive reason to move to Phoenix at all. It is not even cheap either. I lived in Seattle for a while so I have been to Tacoma, and you are in a better place now than the dump that is Phoenix.
People may move to Phoenix, but they usually arrive blind because people flee in massive numbers too. The people that move to Phoenix also just get tacked on to the outskirts, so the growth is not even noticeable. Also, for every three that arrive, two leave because they hate it, and that is a damning stat.
Atlanta is in the top two fastest growing cities in the US, and in the top-10 best cities for investment, and people don't leave as they do in Phoenix, and it is much cheaper as well. The Atlanta metro crime is lower than Phoenix metro as well. People can do a lot better than Phoenix, and I have posted my views about that in other threads.
12-20-2006, 12:22 AM
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What is the deal with people hating on Phoenix so much? Wow, if you don't like it...move on, no one is forcing you here. I've never seen such deep hate for a place like I've seen on here.
I don't live in Phoenix anymore thank goodness, but I like to warn people about it, and that is what this web site is about. You asked for an opinion, and when it is given to you, it seems that you are not appreciative. Would you prefer a dishonest answer?
I am Australian, and I have spent time in some of the best cities in the world. My home city is Melbourne, and it has been named the most liveable city in the world many times. I have lived in Sydney which is in the top-10 most liveable cities in the world, and I have also lived in Seattle which is a far better city as well. I have been spoiled, but I know what a good city is all about, and Phoenix is a crime infested, filthy, ugly, dusty, high polution dump. Phoenix is dis-jointed because it is does not have that urban centre or heart, even if people live in the suburbs, a city needs that.
Did it ever cross your mind that people hate Phoenix because it is so bloody awful? Phoenix is for the minority, and it is not for the masses or the majority of people in this country. If someone likes suburban life
only and to keep to themselves only without any urban culture or character whatsoever, not even to visit, then Phoenix is for them, but that is the minority of people without a doubt.
Oh, and Phoenix is not only a sh1t-hole because it does not have an urban heart. There are many other reasons to hate it besides that.
12-20-2006, 12:26 AM
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only and to keep to themselves only without any urban culture or character whatsoever, not even to visit, then Phoenix is for them, but that is the minority of people without a doubt.
See, that I don't agree with. I think it's quite the opposite.
People who do choose to live in Pheonix do prefer the suburban lifestyle, to keep to themselves, etc. Yes in placed like NYC or Chicago there are probably more people who prefer an urban core, but like I said earlier, a lot of people get tired of that lifestyle after a while and end up in placed like Phoenix. I would guess that in Phoenix, if there was a poll taken, only 15-20% of the population would prefer to live in an urban environement vs. sprawled out. Again I know quite a few people that would never go to a downtown unless they had to, no matter if it's here or NYC...they consider it too crowded, too busy, too much noise.
12-20-2006, 12:31 AM
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By the way, what part of Phoenix did you live in while here? With Phoenix as big as it is, you can live in an area and never visit other parts of the city.
12-20-2006, 12:37 AM
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By the way, what part of Phoenix did you live in while here? With Phoenix as big as it is, you can live in an area and never visit other parts of the city.
I lived in Biltmore near Paradise Valley and Camelback mountain for work for 9 months earlier this year. I have a car so I saw much of the metro area, so I know what is all like. I am aware that some areas are worse than others, but who would possibly want to stay within a few block area without venturing out?
Phoenix has pockets of bad areas scattered throughout unlike most cities where it is kept to one or two areas that are easy to avoid. The bad areas of Phoenix are unavoidable, and most importantly, Phoenix
is the 19th most dangerous metro area in the country and crime is growing annually.
12-20-2006, 07:44 AM
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Do you like it hot, pleasant, and never cold? Are you ready to fry like an egg on a hot stove five months out of the year. I live in California, but have visited Phoenix many times. I'm 20 years old, attending college and unemployed. The fall, spring, and winter are Paradise. But, may until september are extremely hot. It may be dry heat, but if it's 95 to 105 on an average basis for five months straight, that is not just heat, that's draining. That's the only problem with Phoenix. I'm not trying to alarm you, but I want you to be aware.
Never cold, it is 30 degrees right now, with a high of like 50, sorry but that really isnt swim weather!!!
12-20-2006, 07:47 AM
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What is the deal with people hating on Phoenix so much? Wow, if you don't like it...move on, no one is forcing you here. I've never seen such deep hate for a place like I've seen on here.
They have nothing better to do. I live here, it isnt that bad, I have lived in worse. I too did the Urban scene in Seattle ( which is better than most) now I have kids and a husband and a dog, not really meant for urban anymore. This city was built for retired people, so no they wouldnt be interested in that.
12-20-2006, 07:52 AM
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Never cold, it is 30 degrees right now, with a high of like 50, sorry but that really isnt swim weather!!!
Very unusual my good friend, there's a cold jet stream across the southwest very uncommon...the lowest average monthly low in phoenix is 42..yeah, I think if your from Wisconsin you can handle that!
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People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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