Would you like to see a commuter train within Phoenix? (Mesa: purchasing, theater)

[homlish560]

Originally Posted by miamiman

There are many cities that are MUCH worse than Phoenix in terms of auto congestion. Most of those drivers are throwing themselves into traffic out of frustration.

Yeah, like LA!!!!! They were totally car-dependent for too long, which is 1 reason why their smog problem has been horrible for years.

Maybe you don't know this, but LA finally wised up - a little too late - and built a Subway system. Many of LA's suburbs have the Metrolink, which is Commuter rail.

Originally Posted by miamiman

Sprawl will happen in Arizona regardless of what type of transit we put our money behind. A lot of people who move to the Valley like to live in new construction, found on the periphery.

Of course Sprawl will happen - here, as well in most other places in the nation. But not everyone that moves here wants to live on the 'periphery'. What's so appealing about that when you have to drive so far to get anywhere?????

I remember when ex-Governor Napolitano was talking about Commuter rail service in Arizona - she was mostly talking about linking Phx. to Tucson, and Phx. to Flagstaff.

[Ritchie_az]

homlish,
those places could attract any number of businesses. Phase 1 of an industrial park is complete in Goodyear. University of Phoenix is supposedly going to build a high-rise in Buckeye. Downtown Phoenix is not the only location businesses can be located.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by homlish560

Yeah, like LA!!!!! They were totally car-dependent for too long, which is 1 reason why their smog problem has been horrible for years.

Maybe you don't know this, but LA finally wised up - a little too late - and built a Subway system. Many of LA's suburbs have the Metrolink, which is Commuter rail.



Of course Sprawl will happen - here, as well in most other places in the nation. But not everyone that moves here wants to live on the 'periphery'. What's so appealing about that when you have to drive so far to get anywhere?????

I remember when ex-Governor Napolitano was talking about Commuter rail service in Arizona - she was mostly talking about linking Phx. to Tucson, and Phx. to Flagstaff.

Where's "anywhere"? Your "anywhere" is someone else's "nowhere". There is nothing I want that I can't get on my side of the periphery. There is nothing I want to do downtown - like most, I would not even know we had one except for jury duty. As for who wants to live on a 'periphery' - I'll bet 99% of the people who move here opt for suburban life.

[homlish560]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Where's "anywhere"? Your "anywhere" is someone else's "nowhere". There is nothing I want that I can't get on my side of the periphery. There is nothing I want to do downtown - like most, I would not even know we had one except for jury duty. As for who wants to live on a 'periphery' - I'll bet 99% of the people who move here opt for suburban life.

Suburban, yes. I live in a Suburban area and I have everything I could possibly want.

There's a huge difference between Suburban and the periphery. We could say Glendale, Arcadia, Ahwatukee, or Sunnyslope are Suburban; but they require less Commute times than say, Queen Creek, Anthem, Buckeye, or Maricopa.

There might be nothing that appeals to you Downtown, but that's your prerogrative. You don't speak for everyone that lives in the valley!!!!!

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Where's "anywhere"? Your "anywhere" is someone else's "nowhere". There is nothing I want that I can't get on my side of the periphery. There is nothing I want to do downtown - like most, I would not even know we had one except for jury duty. As for who wants to live on a 'periphery' - I'll bet 99% of the people who move here opt for suburban life.

While you may not have nothing that you want to do downtown - that is you.

Some of us take in a Basketball game at USAirways Arena (downtown), or Baseball at Chase Field (downtown), or a Theatrical Production at the Herberger (downtown), or the RV show at the Convention Center (downtown) or ...... Well, hopefully you get the idea.

Yet, while we do all of these "things" downtown, our residences are outside the downtown area.

[Ponderosa]

Originally Posted by homlish560

Suburban, yes. I live in a Suburban area and I have everything I could possibly want.

There's a huge difference between Suburban and the periphery. We could say Glendale, Arcadia, Ahwatukee, or Sunnyslope are Suburban; but they require less Commute times than say, Queen Creek, Anthem, Buckeye, or Maricopa.

There might be nothing that appeals to you Downtown, but that's your prerogrative. You don't speak for everyone that lives in the valley!!!!!

Those areas are built out or too expensive for many. And we couldn't all fit and have the backyard lifestyle people expect. It doesn't seem that long ago when I was one of the very first people to move to Ahwatukee and kept hearing "why do you want to live so far out?" - and that was at Elliot and 44th Street. Also remember going to look at new homes at Warner Ranch and thinking why in the world would anyone want to live so far away from everything? Time (and suburbia) marches on.

[joninaz]

Originally Posted by Greatday

While you may not have nothing that you want to do downtown - that is you.

Some of us take in a Basketball game at USAirways Arena (downtown), or Baseball at Chase Field (downtown), or a Theatrical Production at the Herberger (downtown), or the RV show at the Convention Center (downtown) or ...... Well, hopefully you get the idea.

Yet, while we do all of these "things" downtown, our residences are outside the downtown area.

Do you live in or near Florence?

[Greatday]

Originally Posted by joninaz

Do you live in or near Florence?

Closer to Globe

[KarmaPhx]

Most people don't go downtown unless it's for events, like sports, and even then not everyone is into sports or theater.

I can't say I have been downtown in the last 6 months, last time I was there was for court.

[observer53]

Originally Posted by Ponderosa

Those areas are built out or too expensive for many. And we couldn't all fit and have the backyard lifestyle people expect. It doesn't seem that long ago when I was one of the very first people to move to Ahwatukee and kept hearing "why do you want to live so far out?" - and that was at Elliot and 44th Street. Also remember going to look at new homes at Warner Ranch and thinking why in the world would anyone want to live so far away from everything? Time (and suburbia) marches on.

I live east of Warner Ranch, so I can relate.

I've been here long enough that when my uncle was looking at a house on Granite Reef Rd in Scottsdale, my aunt refused to consider living "in the middle of the Indian reservation". (Camelback wasn't paved past Scottsdale Rd at the time, or just had been). My dad had the opportunity in those early years (late 50's early 60's) to buy land at the corner of Scottsdale Rd and Bell. He passed on it, because it was just too far out.