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Old 11-19-2009, 09:54 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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The Sheriff's recidivism rate I do not know. As for myself I can say that I do not believe anyone is trying to drum up empathy for the inmates, though there is some truth that it was a secondary effect. To our brave soldiers who are fighting in lands far away and hostile my heart goes out to them.

Sticking to the case at hand, I give credit to Arpaio for standing behind his officer publicly despite the officers bad judgment making the copies. They just need to move the trial to a new venue, redirect the officer on what to do better in the future, let due process run the course if the judge feels it is warranted. The Sheriff and the Judge have a legitimate dispute over media rights to the facility. Arpaio runs the unit and so he calls the shots to when media assembles, but His/Her honor should also be able to bring public attention to any mistrial found. The two of them need to respectfully resolve this and not act like "My Jail you don't call KTAR I do!" the whole thing is childish. The sheriff just did not want this made public because it looks like he did not properly train his staff to legal protocols and this whole thing reflects poorly on his agency.
I understand what you are saying, BUT, as someone whose been in the military and had to deal with strict chain of command, if a mistake this grave was made in the AF's, you'd get your arse chewed and an apology wouldn't even be necessary as you'd be eating grass, dirt, blacktop or whatever flavor you'd happen to be standing on. While it is "respectable" for the sheriff to support his officer, he should also take responsibility for the illegal act and one that was found in contempt of court.

However, the sheriff has no dispute over media rights to any facility; especially over a Judge!
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Old 11-19-2009, 09:58 PM
 
Location: North Phoenix
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There is something called "Good Faith" it is for the Judge to determine if indeed the officer was acting in "Good Faith"for the sake of security to the security of the inmate institution and court, if so then the officer is not in contempt but that is for Due Process to determine.

I do feel bad that staff of Military and Law Enforcement are subject to such high standards by chains of command when they already have their tails on the line with the very job they are doing.
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Old 11-19-2009, 10:04 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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There is something called "Good Faith" it is for the Judge to determine if indeed the officer was acting in "Good Faith"for the sake of security to the security of the inmate institution and court, if so then the officer is not in contempt but that is for Due Process to determine.

I do feel bad that staff of Military and Law Enforcement are subject to such high standards by chains of command when they already have their tails on the line with the very job they are doing.
When life and limb are at risk there is little room for error, and I think that handling dangerous individuals poses some threat daily as well. However, it was found that even if " the officer was acting in good faith" he overstepped his authority, legal boundries, what is prudent for his position and commited an act that was in contempt of court. So there is no issue of maybe he could have been right. He pulled a LEGAL file from an attorney's private files! Hello? Even someone with little legal knowledge would understand that privileged communication was at the very least trampled on. And now this sentencing may be "thrown" out because of the officers actions!
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Old 11-20-2009, 07:48 AM
 
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MCSO deputies patrol in some very "lonely" areas - in one of the largest geographical counties in the country.
There are four counties alone in Arizona larger than Maricopa. In fact Maricopa is only a little bigger than Pima. It is far from one of the largest in the country. Nevada has four counties larger. Moderator cut: rude

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Old 11-20-2009, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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[quote=oldman47;11704900]There are four counties alone in Arizona larger than Maricopa. In fact Maricopa is only a little bigger than Pima. It is far from one of the largest in the country. Nevada has four counties larger. Moderator cut: rude
I can safely say that Maricopa County is bigger than most here in the USA----------Arlington County outside of Wash DC is about the size of the city of Tempe.

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Old 11-20-2009, 10:23 AM
 
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Maricopa is the 21st largest county by land size.

County statistics of the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Old 11-20-2009, 11:40 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Especially since it is the 21st largest out of probably thousands of counties in the U.S., LOL!

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Old 11-20-2009, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Mesa, Az
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If you had simply stated a very large geographical area instead of one of the largest when there are twenty larger would have been more correct.
On a bell shaped curve: Maricopa County is near the top; yes, some counties are much larger (Rye in Nevada comes to mind) but, virtually all other counties are smaller in land area.
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