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Old 04-17-2010, 02:25 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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Population explosion due to the cheap real estate and a real economic recovery for all classes, which will never happen. People are going to want to live near work and not out in Maricopa for "affordable" housing. Sorry, but there is nothing affordable about $800 utility bills every month for a 2 bedroom with 2 people. lol but with that comes the second part.

The second part is the attitude of NYC. Typical "i'll put you in cement shoes if you **** me off" mentality. "Someone shoots you in front of me, im ignoring the problem, its not my job"
High Rises and Skyscrapers are better for a city , then Suburbs. Less of an impact of on the environment and Power Grid. As for the Attitude issue , LOL sorry but i'm an Ex-NYer so you can't place this on me. The New Transitways will absorb some of the population swells if done right. You guys do need a Subways. Ask for a Private-Public type of system it will get built faster and better. Usually costs less. Unfortunately there's not many options less for you guys other then Transit. You don't want Phoenix's Traffic to reach the Level of LA's. BTW take some pointers on how to build your system form them.
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:47 PM
 
Location: USA
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High Rises and Skyscrapers are better for a city , then Suburbs. Less of an impact of on the environment and Power Grid. As for the Attitude issue , LOL sorry but i'm an Ex-NYer so you can't place this on me. The New Transitways will absorb some of the population swells if done right. You guys do need a Subways. Ask for a Private-Public type of system it will get built faster and better. Usually costs less. Unfortunately there's not many options less for you guys other then Transit. You don't want Phoenix's Traffic to reach the Level of LA's. BTW take some pointers on how to build your system form them.
I think modern, properly engineered, skyscrappers are better then suburbs. We can't do subways on the west coat, too much rock and clay. But I agree with the other poster, if you want a city that relies on mass transit, move to one of those cities. I would rather move to Tokyo over NYC or Chicago.
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Old 04-17-2010, 02:54 PM
 
Location: Anchored in Phoenix
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All three are appealing to me. I like to use my car, and it's an economy car. Yet I'm leery about how long we can continue building roads before the air quality gets as bad as Los Angeles. Note Phoenix air quality should be as good as San Francisco's and Portland Oregon's to make up for its tremendous heat in the summer.

Yet studies have shown again and again that individual auto transportation is the most efficient unless mass transit has a time table that runs very early and very late and frequent. There are times people would want to work at the office another two hours. Those people want assurance that they will be able to get home or to work in reasonable times.

(Now I put on my heat-resistant suit to be ready for flames)...Then you have to think of what type of people will mostly use public transit. It's a mix. But some of them are smelly. Some are stoned. Some have contagious viruses. Some are creepy. Some aren't mentally able to drive. I've seen all types as a busrider for awhile in college.

It depends on the routes I suppose. The light rail in Phoenix probably gets better than average riders, due to its route between ASU and downtown.

Mass transit should not be a replacement for the automobile, but should be a helluva convenient choice and should bring down both congestion and air pollution levels.

Having the current lightrail is a great thing for Phoenix. But IMHO, I think we'd be "on the right track" if we had two north/south lines One along Scottsdale/Rural blvd from Scottsdale Airpark to Chandler Blvd. The other in the west valley parallel to the 101 north/south. And both those lines should connect to the existing Phoenix metro rail.

Just a dream.
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Old 04-17-2010, 03:20 PM
 
Location: Anchored in Phoenix
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Looks like a dream. But then I worry about two things: 1) the cost and 2) having lots of light rail at every developed part of the valley will encourage more sprawl. I can imagine the Queen Creek of today will be Eloy, Arizona City, maybe even Picacho Peak in twenty-five years. Ouch!

I like the idea of the existing plan with an extension to Pardise Valley. Let urbanization and walkability take ahold of the current lines. I'm interested in the trio: ASU, SkyHarbor Airport, and downtown Phoenix. It would be great if the junkyards and street hustlers were cleared out and exported to Los Angeles and high rise lofts were built in place.

My own wish is a "if you build it, they will come" scenario. That white collar professionals, upscale restaurants and pubs, more workout clubs (a new LA Fitness with 5 lane lap pool downtown would be great), would be attracted to the locale. There are a lot of people who regularly fly out of SkyHarbor to work elsewhere, but call Phoenix home. Lots of these are single middle aged professionals who don't necessarily want to rub elbows with 21 year old college kids, but who don't fit into SFH family neighborhoods or the granny/gramps lifestyle.

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Interesting planned and proposed light rail lines Map by the Transpolitic



More Light Rail Presents Itself as the Answer for a Growing Phoenix « The Transport Politic

I really hope that happen's it would be a great regional investment into the Future.

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