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For someone like me who uses 90% of the creative suite this would be extremely unaffordable! I will remain using CS5.5 and that's that. I have no way to justify such subscription. I can justify lynda.com, Kelbytraining.com to stay current, but there's no way I would pay $50 a month for CC!
They are temporarily still selling CS6 as a "buy" (downloadable) for $199 (upgrade pricing), but you have to ask the right reps. Some say you can't, others say you can. Adobe's postings say you still can "for now". New features and feature updates however will no longer be downloaded into it - only bug and security fixes.
Full time pros seem to think it's not a huge deal in some online discussions, but many CS Photoshop users are not full time pros, and many would only update bi-annually, so asking roughly $20 a month to use the software ($240 per year) isn't cost effective for most non-pro users. You lapse a payment, poof, your software shuts down with the exception of being able to view your files with it. They are offering an intro offer of $9.99 for Photoshop CC per month, but that is only for the 1st year - after that, it ups to the $19.99 pricing.
My prediction: Pro users will just switch over to the new system, as will some school/training facilities and agencies. Non-pro users and hobby/enthusiast users will most likely switch downward to Photoshop Elements, and supplement the features with a few third-party filters and plugins, or, go to an altogether different program (GIMP, Paint Shop Pro, etc). It could be an opportunity for a company to step in now with a viable alternative that you can buy instead of subscribe to, if someone can come up with one that can handle Photoshop plugins effectively.
I'm not a fan of it. If Adobe is getting desperate for revenue, I think they should have simply raised the upgrade price for Photoshop from $199 to $249 and continued to offer the cloud services as an option as well. Lots of folks scrambling to make some decisions now. It will be interesting to see how it pans out over the next few weeks/months.
Full time pros seem to think it's not a huge deal in some online discussions, but many CS Photoshop users are not full time pros, and many would only update bi-annually, so asking roughly $20 a month to use the software ($240 per year) isn't cost effective for most non-pro users. You lapse a payment, poof, your software shuts down with the exception of being able to view your files with it. They are offering an intro offer of $9.99 for Photoshop CC per month, but that is only for the 1st year - after that, it ups to the $19.99 pricing.
My prediction: Pro users will just switch over to the new system, as will some school/training facilities and agencies. Non-pro users and hobby/enthusiast users will most likely switch downward to Photoshop Elements, and supplement the features with a few third-party filters and plugins, or, go to an altogether different program (GIMP, Paint Shop Pro, etc). It could be an opportunity for a company to step in now with a viable alternative that you can buy instead of subscribe to, if someone can come up with one that can handle Photoshop plugins effectively.
I'm not a fan of it. If Adobe is getting desperate for revenue, I think they should have simply raised the upgrade price for Photoshop from $199 to $249 and continued to offer the cloud services as an option as well. Lots of folks scrambling to make some decisions now. It will be interesting to see how it pans out over the next few weeks/months.
They will have the opportunity now to raise the prices as they see fit. (Another abusive tactic by a private company).
This only works for medium/large Advertising companies; those are the only ones who can benefit from this because they have a continuous work flow and tens and thousands of dollars paid by those who "need" to advertise. Hence the creation of magazine layouts, flyers, billboards, brochures, corporate materials etc etc etc. The goal is probably to be a graphic/web designer and be employed by a good=busy ad agency. Freelancers will be excluded because they have to bid, and don't have a steady work flow, maybe 5 people do in that category. It makes little sense for photographers since they have to spend the most money on equipment and advertising, and then people don't want to pay for photography anymore, they just want the highest quality for free...so with free we can't maintain such subscriptions...etc etc etc.
I loved Paint Shop Pro, the only problem is that I would need a Windows machine for it...they still refuse to make a mac version for some reason, but yeah, this will be a WIDE OPEN door of opportunity for other companies to advance, and the Adobe monopoly will finally be over!!!! (My hope). this is just extortion because instead of paying $1+ every few years for the Suite, now you have to pay yearly for it...and frankly, the new "magical options" are not that magical at all....for example if my "camera shakes"...and i take a shaken shot, I hit delete, put up the tripod and poof...no more shaking! I don't need IS on my lens either...a tripod will do, and most of us have one already, and their cost is irrelevant in comparison.
Now the biggest pet peeve "I" have is with this loose access to someone's computer. I asked around and nobody seems to know who else has access to this cloud? This company is no different than Facebook, so like Facebook turns our photos into orphan works and then sells them to whomever buys, so is Adobe...so to me, this is just anther door opening for them to "legally" steal content we create. Since if you miss a payment they'll shut you down....Imagine having a medical emergency, and spending the last of your money on that, and have a project due Monday!!! Oooopppsss! Better not get sick, or have "Money troubles" with this new way of NOT owning software.
Ridiculous.
In the end, I would rather get that app that lets me use Paint Shop Pro on a mac and be done with this. I don't need it.
I'm not a fan of it. If Adobe is getting desperate for revenue, I think they should have simply raised the upgrade price for Photoshop from $199 to $249 and continued to offer the cloud services as an option as well. Lots of folks scrambling to make some decisions now. It will be interesting to see how it pans out over the next few weeks/months.
I don't think they're hurting for revenue, they are trying to combat piracy.
I wasn't keen on it at first - I hated the idea that if I hit hard times financially and had to cancel my subscription, I'd be screwed out of my livelihood to get back on my feet. Despite having possibly put hundreds into my subscription, I'm left with nothing. Whereas if I hit a bad financial patch and already owned PS from having purchased it in the past, I could continue working. However, as my husband pointed out, if it came to that, I could always just go back to the last version of PS I bought pre-subscription.
And paying $20/50 a month IS easier than laying down a large lump sum every year. I just wish they had left the option to buy it out right too - or perhaps an option for the subscription to pay towards the purchase of the software.
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For someone like me who uses 90% of the creative suite this would be extremely unaffordable! I will remain using CS5.5 and that's that. I have no way to justify such subscription. I can justify lynda.com, Kelbytraining.com to stay current, but there's no way I would pay $50 a month for CC!
What was the upgrade cost for the entire creative suite? Because the full cost is currently $1,190 on Amazon - it would take two years of $50 monthly payments to equal that. So even if the upgrade was half that, you'd still be paying the same amount assuming you upgrade every year. $50 a month = $600 every year. Was the upgrade for the full creative suit less than that? Like I say, my understanding is that it's only not cost effective for people who didn't upgrade every year.
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Now the biggest pet peeve "I" have is with this loose access to someone's computer. I asked around and nobody seems to know who else has access to this cloud? This company is no different than Facebook, so like Facebook turns our photos into orphan works and then sells them to whomever buys, so is Adobe...so to me, this is just anther door opening for them to "legally" steal content we create.
You don't have to use the cloud, you know. I signed up a week or two ago and I am currently using PS CS6 but I have no photos/files in my cloud. So please, save us another tirade.
I have the Master Collection, CS5.5 it retails for $1899 at the Apple Store, unfortunately the Apple store doesn't sell the upgrade version per what I saw. The difference is that I don't have to upgrade, nor buy it every year. My CS5.5 is perfectly usable, and does everything I tell it to do. Now you will be STUCK having to pay for it every year with the monthly subscription. I refuse to pay for it every year.
I know I don't have to use it, and I don't, however that doesn't make it anymore "ok" for others. I think it is extortion period, and it is because they don't have a lot of competition, but hopefully this will change soon. Like I said above, this makes the most sense for advertising agencies who have a flow of high paying clients, and a steady work flow. For someone without a steady work flow this is a vast waste of money.
I think they should have simply raised the upgrade price for Photoshop from $199 to $249 and continued to offer the cloud services as an option as well.
Yep. Adobe could have used this two-pronged approach first, and use cloud service as a premium approach towards support and development versus a more docile conventional option, and evaluated over next couple of years if one way worked better than the other.
Even with cloud services, the least it could do is guarantee availability of the software as is (no upgrades/improvements) if the user met the minimum contract criteria.
I would hope that other players in the business are closely watching the reaction by Adobe users in general, and hope they have people that are smart enough in key places to take advantage of it.
Paint Shop Pro seems to be the most likely candidate to step up to the plate, provided they can get some more third-party filter plugin providers lined up, or could possibly alter their code so the program accepts a greater number of Photoshop compatible plugins (and, work on their track record for buggy software). Over time a number of people have tried to compete with Photoshop and just gave up over time, but I'm sure there are some developers who have just been waiting in the background for something like this to come up so they can pounce on the opportunity. Personally I'd be the first if I were one of these companies to advertise my product as, "NO SUBSCRIPTION REQUIRED!", and use Silver glitter font letters to advertise it that way. lol
Adobe at the very last second after some of the initial comments started coming in came up with a "promotion" for CS users that says for $9.99 a month they can migrate to the subscription format, provided they commit for one year. But it's a one-off... at the end of the year, that price goes up to the $19.99 per month originally reported (or, should they so choose, even higher). I would have no problem with a $9.99 price per month, but not "with catches" to it like that.
Of course, from a marketing 101 standpoint, they're going to make money off of the controversy, too. Some people (perhaps quite a few) are now scrambling to buy CS6 while it's still available for sale, so more people than usual are tossing $199 at Adobe to get that "last" version in before it all changes.
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