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Old 08-13-2017, 03:13 AM
 
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i never buy any glass not nikon . while initially it is cheaper the difference in resale value can be huge . the better nikon lenses hold their value so well . some of the lenses i have had i sold for almost what i paid years later .

on the other hand any tamron or sigma stuff i bought took a beating when sold
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Old 08-13-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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I don't think that photo shows bokeh. It displays fairly shallow depth of field, yes, but I think it's a stretch to call it bokeh, let alone good bokeh...the term's a bit fuzzy (haha, I made a pun) but I don't see much pattern in the background blur. Foreground flowers look good, though.
Yeah now that I look at it again, I think you're right. It's certainly nowhere near what most DSLR lenses can give you when shot wide open or near wide open.
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Old 08-13-2017, 07:00 AM
 
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not even close to a good macro lens and dslr. at best i would call that shot a close up snap shot .
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Old 08-13-2017, 10:26 AM
 
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not even close to a good macro lens and dslr. at best i would call that shot a close up snap shot .
OK, but I never compared it to that.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:22 PM
 
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but i am .

it is like we have people in photography forums who post half baked photo's that look unfinished and they expect some brownie points when they say it is straight out of camera .

sorry but half baked photo's get no extra points if they are not up to snuff .
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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but i am .

it is like we have people in photography forums who post half baked photo's that look unfinished and they expect some brownie points when they say it is straight out of camera .

sorry but half baked photo's get no extra points if they are not up to snuff .
OK, I'd agree with you that that shot is nowhere near DSLR quality. For flower shots with strong bokeh, a cell phone is basically useless (at least the ones I've used). I posted the pic to show that you can get sharp focus and reasonably shallow DoF with a cell phone (not to try to get a high five).
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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well ,bottom line is you can take close ups with a cell phone that are in focus . but that is where the comparison ends for me but then i am a macro photographer and love bugs ..
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:54 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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i never buy any glass not nikon . while initially it is cheaper the difference in resale value can be huge . the better nikon lenses hold their value so well . some of the lenses i have had i sold for almost what i paid years later .

on the other hand any tamron or sigma stuff i bought took a beating when sold
There is a manual lens that is second to none in low price and sharpness (used for astrophotography using FF cameras), and that is The Rokinon 24mm f/1.4 ED AS UMC.
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Old 08-13-2017, 12:56 PM
 
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it may be true but there are few exceptions to after market lenses taking a beating when you want to sell them .

i learned that the expensive way early on by buying on price because sigma and tamron were cheaper . i won't buy any lenses today other than the higher end nikon glass .
i sell every few years as my needs may change .
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Old 08-13-2017, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Not far from Fairbanks, AK
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it may be true but there are few exceptions to after market lenses taking a beating when you want to sell them .

i learned that the expensive way early on by buying on price because sigma and tamron were cheaper . i won't buy any lenses today other than the higher end nikon glass .
i sell every few years as my needs may change .
I don't disagree with you. The Rokinon/Sanyang/etc. lens above is a lens one would use for astrophotography, and probably landscape photography (if you want like manual focus for the latter), at 1/3rd of the cost of the best Nikon and Canon counterparts.

I have two f/2.8 Tokina super-wide angle lenses, one for a cropped-sensor Canon camera, and another for a FF Canon. Since I bought a FF camera, I haven't been using the one for the cropped-sensor one. The only use for this lens is for photographing the Auroras, and landscape photography. All my other lenses are Canon.
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