06-18-2010, 11:24 PM
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To get the area to become more Pro-Transit Lifestyle ultimately leading to a healthier independent PAT....
1). Get Metrocards rolling already....coming from NYC i hate fiddling for correct change and having to pay zone overages....I like to load up my card and just swipe n go....Cash Transfers and paper passes are soooo outdated....
2). ONE FARE - if you must charge 3$ for ride...do it...much better than the nickle and diming of Zone overage...People will pay for simplicity....if the base fare is 3$ then 2 free transfers should be given within a 2hr window to transfer to any local bus or "T" that's not the originating route....
3). Embrace the Reverse Commuters - Offer Express buses from Downtown Pittsburgh to the Highly commuted office parks/burbs of the region (Cranberry/Wexford, Robinson/Moon/Airport area, Southpointe, the RIDCs)..Work the major employers of these areas to get a common census around what the average start and end times are for the work day and schedule the reverse commute around that.
4). Direct Express commuter Routes - Establish Direct Express buses (Using exclusively commuter style coaches NOT CITY BUSES) to offer Limited Stops Direct express to and from Oakland and Downtown..Charge a premium of 6$ for faster and more comfortable rides. but still offer free transfers to Any service even another express bus.
5). Complete the West Busway into Downtown and Link the West with the East by have the EBA continue out to Carnegie...This will provide better transfers and more opportunities with better coverage.
6). Become one with the digital age - I love the "Text for next bus" at certain bus stops...the they need to grow this program to the region. As well as get Mobile apps for the iPhone, Android, Palm and Blackberrys so that people can get schedule information on the go. Once Metrocard style fare is in place allow for the Refilling/Recharging of card online as well as thru the Mobile Apps....
Notice i didnt include Rail because that a longer term outlook that will require much more resources that PAT alone.
06-19-2010, 06:49 AM
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Of course the big problem is they have no funding for capital improvements right now, and in fact the state is potentially going to be slashing their funding. Which is a big problem for many reasons, but among other things, I strongly suspect some investments (like fare cards) would be revenue-enhancing in the long run.
Anyway, 2-4 really depend on basic economic issues.
Zones may actually be revenue maximizing--it depends on how many more riders you would get in outer zones by cutting prices, and how many you would lose in Zone 1 by raising prices. They are trying to simplify things a bit and that should give them more data on their riders' sensitivity to prices. And once they have Metrocards they will get even better data, and using that they could potentially fine tune things even more, all without really making it harder to pay (even if they have multiple fares).
The basic problem with commuter buses is that without dedicated rights of way, they are going get stuck in congested traffic, and thus they end up overall less convenient for riders than driving. Accordingly, such services tend to be most attractive to people without cars, and that is exactly not the sort of person who can afford to pay a premium for nicer buses and such.
You can address this issue in a couple ways. Dedicated rights of way that bypass congestion, like the Busways, can make commuter buses competitive with driving for convenience. But of course we are already using the existing Busways for express routes, and so to expand this system we would really need more capital investment. I absolutely think we should be doing that, but that gets back to the capital funding issue.
The other thing you can do is make driving a lot more expensive, which raises the incentive for commuters to accept somewhat less convenient buses at a higher price point. That could take the form of higher parking costs, higher fuel costs, even a congested-driving fee, and so on. Some of that may happen naturally, but you could make deliberate policy choices along those lines too.
Ultimately, all of this comes down to politics, and in that sense the really big issues are out of PAT's hands. Better commuter transit would be good for all commuters, even drivers (because it would help reduce congestion), and it would also reduce our society's use of foreign oil, decrease carbon emissions, make better use of our local land, and so on. But making that case has been tough in recent decades, as transportation issues have become entangled in various cultural and political divides. Hopefully that era is coming to an end and we can get back to more rational transportation planning, but it may take a while (e.g., recent events at the state level in PA have not been encouraging).
06-19-2010, 08:16 AM
Location: Hooterville PA
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Just the other day, I made a report of a bus driver, who did rolling stops at the stop signs on 3 consecutive intersections.
The transportation director wanted my address and telephone number.
Now what does my address and telephone number have to do with a driver that isn't doing their job - which the number one priority is - driving safely.
I just hit delete.
The best thing they could do is completely get rid of the bus system and give the people who rode the buses $25 a year. Let private contractors take over the system and then you can choose between riding a jitney or hiring a taxi cab to get where you are going. The bus system is loosing about $40,000 a day just in the city of Pittsburgh alone.
No where else in the business world would a company that cannot show a profit be allowed to stay in business and expect to be subsidized by people who doesn't even ride the bus. If I put a toll bridge at the end of my road and charged a dollar every time some one drove across the bridge. I could justify my actions - because you physically got something for your dollar.
But if I put a toll bridge across my road and I sent a bill to the state of Pennsylvania and told them that they owe me $12,429,616 - $1 for every person living in the state! That would be just wrong. That is basically what the PAT system does. Let the people who rides the bus, pay for the bus. Where I live, the only bus is the ATA
You could not rely on the ATA to come to your house everyday at 7 AM to pick you up and take you to work and get you there by 8 AM. It's just not going to happen. Yet the people in Pittsburgh believes that it should be right there on their corner every day of the week, waiting for them, should they decide to ride the bus today. That's not a good way to run a business.
06-19-2010, 08:59 AM
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They should also cut off all public funding for roads, and instead sell them to private operators. Let the people who use the road, pay for the road.
You'd have to pay a toll to get out of your driveway, of course.
06-19-2010, 09:06 AM
Location: Pittsburgh
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I don't want to get into the whole union thing, but I think that's PAT's problem. There are drivers making $100K a year, they didn't have the kind of hiring and salary freezes that everyone else did over the past few years, and the pensions are draining the system. It sounds like PAT's union is unwilling to back down, even a little.
06-19-2010, 09:35 AM
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It sounds like PAT's union is unwilling to back down, even a little.
PAT actually slashed their benefit liabilities greatly in the last round of negotiations with the union. See page 29 of this document:
http://www.portauthority.org/paac/po...esentation.pdf
As discussed in more detail in that document, a large part of the remaining benefits issue is increasing healthcare costs, in part because of changing federal policies.
Moreover, in addition to the benefits issue, they are also facing increasing fuel costs, plus all sort of other issues. That said, they really had made great strides recently toward getting their financial house in order, and so would be doing relatively well (lots of transit authorities are in much worse shape thanks to the recession) if not for the state slashing its contribution.
This isn't to say there is no more room for labor savings. But I think the union makes a convenient scapegoat, and I also think it doesn't help encourage the union to cooperate when people don't give them any credit for the cuts they have agreed to in the past (not to single you out . . . it is a very common problem and people are often being given bad information).
06-19-2010, 10:10 AM
Location: Pittsburgh
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Don't know how I missed that--thanks, Brian.
06-19-2010, 11:10 AM
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There are drivers making $100K a year, they didn't have the kind of hiring and salary freezes that everyone else did over the past few years, and the pensions are draining the system.
Freezes? Hah! They've actually received an 11% raise over 2 years. And God did they whine about it.
SWPA is in trouble, because the one politician who was even
remotely willing to tell the unions to face some f'ing reality is most likely moving onto bigger things (Onorato).
06-19-2010, 11:19 AM
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The #1 thing I would like to see them do, and it could be done fairly cheaply, is reduce the density of stops. The 41B on Pioneer in Brookline, the T through Beechview, all the buses on Forbes through Oakland. It's just block-to-block stopping. Utterly insane.
I think this would have three positive effects. The first is the obvious one: the marginal extra time in having Person B get on as the same stop as Person A is nothing compared to the time in having Person A get on, get moving again, and then stop a block later for Person B. Speed up the routes, require fewer drivers and buses, less wear-and-tear on brakes.
The second positive effect is the goodwill it will engender toward PAT. Most people who drive around here are going to be stuck behind a buses stopping at every single block at some point. It's frustrating, and it can create an (accurate) impression that the system is bloated and inefficient... "so why should my tax dollars pay for it?"
The third positive effect is that faster routes will attract more riders. Forget luring suburbanites twice a year to ride to the stadiums; the system needs many more commuters who want to use PAT. It can be seen as the option of last resort for people who can't afford a car. But most people dismiss it because it's so damn slow. The T is basically a straight shot from my house to my work, and I still only use it about half of the time because mass transit should not be stopping every block.
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Spacing out stops is one of the things they adopted in the TDP. And fortunately that doesn't cost any upfront money, so I suspect it will get done.
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Most Common Occupations - Transportation occupations (%)
Most Common Occupations - Material moving occupations (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - Correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)