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Old 08-05-2010, 12:47 PM
 
Location: pittsburgh
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once again i have to pay for a bus that i dont ride. how bout raising the pat bus fare and give ME a few dollars to put in MY retirement fund and my gas tank. oops i didnt spent my money foolishly so no bailout for me
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Old 08-05-2010, 12:59 PM
 
Location: pittsburgh
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how bout fast eddie spendell take some $ out of his pocket. how much more can he beat up the pa residents. we allready have some of the highest taxes in the country. how bout getting rid of some of the pork instead. and with the money saved and onoroto's solve everything drink tax could pay for pat's waste for a couple more years
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Old 08-05-2010, 01:07 PM
 
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Originally Posted by ferrarisnowday
Because the people that live 80 miles away and use the transit systems pay for your roads.

Show me the road that you paid for - when you don't buy gasoline and you don't buy vehicle registrations and you don't have to pay for a drivers license, insurance etc.
You really don't understand how most people use the bus. Most do have their license, and many (if not most) also have a car and insurance. Even if they do not, their use of the bus benefits everyone in Allegheny county by decreasing commute cost and time, decreasing accidents, wear and tear etc. I'll grant that the bus system has no direct impact on the daily lives of people in rural PA; but the financial benefit they receive via taxes from those in cities with public transit is undeniable.

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They have been raised in recent years. The main reason not to raise them is that many people would stop using transit (and traffic would increase, and low-income people would be unable to get to work)

TOUGH
So if people in urban areas suddenly decided they don't need to pay for rural roads, would you still say "TOUGH"? I don't think you realize what an effect so many workers being unable to get to their job would have on the economy of the state as a whole.

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"Us poor people"?? You really think a majority of people riding the bus are wealthy?

If you have a job and you have a income - you have more then I do!
I don't even get public assistance - because I have money in the bank!
I didn't mean you personally. But it's interesting that somebody without an income is complaining so much about the use of taxes. I'll admit I'm not certain about this, but I would be shocked if some portion of state (and even federal) income taxes are not used towards transit and road costs.

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It's like you haven't even considered that the roads people drive on cost money, too. I could just as easily say "Why should us poor people have to pay for your roads so you can live cheap on your huge plots of land in the country?"

We bought or land - by working - and by saving our money so we could buy our land and some of our familys has owned farms, which does not pay much money to work, and which has been handed down from generation to generation. Anytime you want to come up and pick potato's for $3 a hour in the hot sun for 12 hours a day or bail hay for $2 a hour or milk cows 3 times a day for $1 a hour - I will hire you on the spot. Farming does not pay much money. You don't see farmers driving around on new tractors or driving new cars of riding Harley Davidson motorcycles for recreation.
Again I didn't mean you personally. I was just pointing out that the argument could go both ways and sound equally silly.

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I don't see how taking the bus equates to not taking care of your own business.

If you want to ride the bus, you should have to pay - what it costs to own, maintain and pay the driver to provide the transportation that you think that you are entitled to.
I don't necessarily disagree. But I'd then have to insist that rural municipalities/counties pay for the roads that you think they are entitled to.
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Old 08-05-2010, 01:09 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there is not one newly paved road in Jefferson or Clearfield County. All of the roads this year were treated with TAR AND CHIPS.
I still don't have all the tar cleaned off my vehicles and the chips has done thousands of dollars of damage to the paint jobs of my vehicles.

You still have not justified the State Of Pennsylvania raising the cost of my plates or drivers license or the price of fuel - which I must burn to get to work to pay the taxes so you can ride like a King / Queen on a city bus!
I don't ride on city buses, and nobody rides like a King/Queen on one. Geez.

It doesn't matter how the roads were treated. You want to gripe about tar and chips? Hell, how about a few years ago when a nearby road was newly paved THEN they put tar and chips over to seal it! Tar and chips are the cheapest way to seal a road, even a new one. It makes it last longer, at the expense of making it messy for a while and rough basically forever.

If you have thousands of dollars of damage to the paint jobs of your vehicles then you're doing it wrong. I've driven through my share of chips over the past several years, and they didn't cause any extra damage to my vehicle. Interesting that plural, vehicles. More than one vehicle that is in such pristine shape that you are worried about a couple of nicks or tar spots that don't come off, then you're not too hard up. I drive a 10-year-old car (no, not an expensive one either).

Anyway, they could tar and chip the roads forever, you're still not covering the costs of them. That's the reality. I'm paying for your roads, even if they raise the damn tax. There's no way you are paying for our transit, because you haven't even covered the cost of your roads with the amount of tax you've paid.
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Old 08-05-2010, 01:11 PM
 
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you don't hear anyone bitching about paying more in gas tax to fund sprawl and loopy subdivision streets, but when it comes to mass transit, everyone seems to have something negative to say. not everyone drives a car, wants to, or sees the practicality in it. in terms of fare to operating cost, mass transit is financially un-sustainable, get over it, because so are roads.
Very succinct, I like it. 4 dollars round trip covers a lot more of the operating costs than free on a road does.
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Old 08-05-2010, 01:35 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but there is not one newly paved road in Jefferson or Clearfield County. All of the roads this year were treated with TAR AND CHIPS.
I still don't have all the tar cleaned off my vehicles and the chips has done thousands of dollars of damage to the paint jobs of my vehicles.

You still have not justified the State Of Pennsylvania raising the cost of my plates or drivers license or the price of fuel - which I must burn to get to work to pay the taxes so you can ride like a King / Queen on a city bus!
Such condescension and self-righteousness. You actually think the average city person riding a bus thinks of themselves as a king or queen because they don't have their own car to get to their menial job in the retail/restaurant business? Believe me, many of them wish they owned a car.

Why not contact your supposed anti-"big government" Republican legislators and ask them why our PA government is so inefficient? Maybe if they (both parties) ran the state government like it was 2010 and not 1910 there might be more $ and less waste. Stop blaming people who live 200 miles away for all of the state's problems. You ought to be careful what you say considering such a huge proportion of PA's good jobs and wealth are located in such a few counties. Clearly, Clearfield and Jefferson Counties are not sending tons of $ back to Harrisburg.
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Old 08-05-2010, 01:58 PM
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Location: Great White North Hills
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This.

My biggest whine is in fact the sewer bill, $62 for two people when a family of 8 would pay the same. But there's nothing useful I can do about it, except move.
Agreed, but that's life. When I lived in my duplex, I was hardly there as was my 1st floor tenant, an airline pilot. We still paid the same as the Catholic family with 23 kids across the street.

I'm Kidding, they were Jewish.

Hi Yac!!!
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Montco PA
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how bout fast eddie spendell take some $ out of his pocket. how much more can he beat up the pa residents. we allready have some of the highest taxes in the country. how bout getting rid of some of the pork instead. and with the money saved and onoroto's solve everything drink tax could pay for pat's waste for a couple more years
Our state income tax rate of 3.07% is one of the lowest in the nation. Contact your corrupt local leaders if you are getting taxed too much at the local level. Of course neither PA's Democrats nor even the Republicans want to stand up to the teachers' union and tell them that it's time to cut the amount the taxpayers foot for pensions and healthcare.

Property taxes in most of PA are relatively low.

Last time I checked Tom Ridge didn't do too much to get rid of pork.

Now, our business taxes are high (corporate net income rate of 9.99% plus the business-killing capital stock tax).
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:21 PM
 
Location: Philly
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Our state income tax rate of 3.07% is one of the lowest in the nation. Contact your corrupt local leaders if you are getting taxed too much at the local level. Of course neither PA's Democrats nor even the Republicans want to stand up to the teachers' union and tell them that it's time to cut the amount the taxpayers foot for pensions and healthcare.
Property taxes in most of PA are relatively low.
Last time I checked Tom Ridge didn't do too much to get rid of pork.
Now, our business taxes are high (corporate net income rate of 9.99% plus the business-killing capital stock tax).
Rendell did raise the personal income tax from 2.93 to 3.07 (he wanted 3.25), he added a gross receipts tax to cell phones (cell phone taxes are no joke in PA). PA, and Rendell in particular, like to nickel and dime you so you don't know how much you're paying. as for property taxes, that doesn't seem right. the whole point of casinos was to lower the property tax burden so I'd guess they are a problem most places. the turnpike commission is notoriously incompetent (always has been). is there pork? absolutely. rendell gave $20 million for two libraries named after long time pork dealers (murtha and specter). $10 million for a hotel in Philadelphia. $800 million of casino money is being spent building a convention center in Philadelphia. st. marys, pa has done well. it's also been noted that the increase in education spending would plug most of the gap this year. tht said I really don't have a problem with transportation funding, it's important. it would be nice if it came from other places .we have what, the second highest tolls in the country? thanks to debt raised by the PTC to plug the Act 44 hole. it's not limited to spendell of course, the pension fiasco dates to before his time, though he made it worse, and both parties voted for it since it beefed up their already too high pay.
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Old 08-05-2010, 02:23 PM
 
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The governor wants to raise the cost of my fuel 3 cents to fund the transit authority.

That bung hole Rendell is going to call back the state senate early and have them vote on if they should raise the price of gasoline to fill in the holes in the budget - to pay for public transportation - hence buses that carries people who doesn't buy gasoline.

That would be like me putting a ten cents a pack tax on cigarettes and a dollar a case on beer to pay for free health care for Mormons.
Pennsylvania Independent - Rendell Wants Gas Company Profits Tax, Price Controls (http://www.paindependent.com/todays_news/detail/rendell-wants-gas-company-profits-tax-price-controls - broken link)

Can you tell me why I should have to pay for something that does not benefit me - or that I can't even use - being 80 miles away?
I am by no means sticking up for Rendell and other corrupt state politicians, but Honest Bob you are a clown. Maybe you should understand how skewed transportation spending already is before you open your mouth and spew ignorance. Highway spending is already subsidized at insane levels in this country by the average citizen, public transportation not so much. Yet public transit is a much more efficient method of moving people.

The people that live in rural areas should be happy that the people in cities help pay taxes to keep their roads in good shape. The lions share of state tax money for transportation comes from cities where the real good paying jobs are primarily located. Expecting to have a decent road infrastructure built in the middle of nowhere serving few people makes little sense compared to investing in public transportation in urban areas. You are not helping alleviate the stereotype about people that live in the Pennsylvania "T".

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