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Old 07-30-2011, 01:20 PM
 
Location: Philly
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for anyone's thats interested this month's trains magazine has an excellent map of the areas rails in 1946
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Old 07-30-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Philly
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there was a federal street station


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Old 07-31-2011, 11:57 AM
 
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I knew the North Shore was called Allegheny but I didn't know that the South Side was called "Birmingham".

Too bad Pittsburgh didn't build a smaller version of Grand Central Station. Union Station isn't quite as impressive.

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Old 09-20-2011, 09:37 AM
 
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the Federal Railroad Administration...released $1.35 million ...for improvements to Amtrak’s Keystone Corridor...The funding will be used for preliminary engineering and required environmental approvals to enable installation of a modernized signal and train control system along portions of the corridor. The improved signal system will allow trains to operate in both directions on all tracks more efficiently, eliminating the need for outdated, manned interlocking towers along the line.
$1.35 million provided to help improve Amtrak's Keystone Corridor - CBS 21 News - Breaking news, sports and weather for the Harrisburg -York -Lancaster -Lebanon Pennsylvania area
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:15 AM
 
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Yay, more money for the Eastern half of the state
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:28 AM
 
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Hopefully by the time the next round of significant funding is up for grabs (and who knows when that will be), the state will be able to submit a serious proposal for Keystone West.
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Old 09-20-2011, 11:42 AM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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I honestly think Keystone West should be Eliminated , Ridership is 230 a day which in the Railroad world is low... It hasn't grown either , or at least not as Fast as Keystone East which i think should become a Septa line. I think PA does need a statewide Rail network , East would get built first , then West... I think Septa needs Priority over PAT for certain reasons , although that's not say PAT shouldn't get any $$$. I think the state needs to reform its Transit policy and leaders , something isn't going right in the 2 agencies... As for HSR , it would foolish to dump billions into a line that seems to struggle to get a 1,000 to ride. Keystone East has managed to climb from 1,500 to 6,700 in 4 years....
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Old 09-20-2011, 12:18 PM
 
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We've completely crippled this route and its ridership isn't very high. Therefore, we should go ahead and kill it!

Or you could stop crippling it.
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Old 09-20-2011, 12:21 PM
 
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We've completely crippled this route and its ridership isn't very high. Therefore, we should go ahead and kill it!

Or you could stop crippling it.

Nonsense.

If it ain't the East Coast, it ain't important.
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Old 09-20-2011, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Philly
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We've completely crippled this route and its ridership isn't very high. Therefore, we should go ahead and kill it!

Or you could stop crippling it.
using current ridership data to determine potential ridership doesn't really work. ridership is stagnant but the route hasn't been improved, the price keeps going up, and there's more competition than ever from express buses. I don't agree with much of what nexis says..and I doubt the state does either. the partnership with Amtrak has gone well for Keystone east. what is SEPTA going to do? get rid of bathrooms, add stops, and lose service to ny. the current set up offers a nice hybrid of commuter and intercity service as well as direct service to NY. ridership has doubled since 2003. somewhere between sammy and nexis is the right answer. grants to improve operations for keystone east also apply to keystone west...after all, most of the traffic is from western PA (Pittsburgh in particular) to Philly & NY so if the goal is to knock two hours off the trip, some of that is going to have to come from east of harrisburg (I believe the goal is to get the trip down to 5.5 hours which might be 90m HBG-PHL and 4hrs HBG-PGH or 80m HBG-PHL and 4h10m HBG-PGH. most importantly, actual implementation of modern signaling (which already exists west of harrisburg) would lower operational costs for PennDOT. Id also add that this won't cost billions. if ridership doesn't respond, then it's probably not worth actual hsr (new alignment) but until then...

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