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Old 08-11-2011, 08:31 AM
 
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Passenger traffic up at Pittsburgh International - Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:34 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Nice to see Southwest eating United's non-stop Denver flights for lunch. I've wasted so much extra money going out there over the years because they had a monopoly on that route. GIT EM!
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Athens, GA (via Pittsburgh, PA)
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I bet the PIT/DFW route is doing well these days.
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Old 08-11-2011, 08:50 AM
 
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I wish PIT could get some spillover from the crowded delayed prone East Coast Corridor....
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:28 AM
 
Location: Philly
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I bet the PIT/DFW route is doing well these days.
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[LEFT]American Airlines started using larger aircraft on its Dallas-Ft. Worth route, contributing to a year-to-year increase of 11,998 passengers, or 27.8 percent

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BB-I don't see how..barring a new high speed train connecting PIT to the east coast, geography is working against it. it's just too far, you're better off flying out of a delay prone airport in NY. besides, the numbers aren't any better than BWI I don't think.
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Old 08-11-2011, 09:57 AM
 
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I wish PIT could get some spillover from the crowded delayed prone East Coast Corridor....
As I recall the airport made a pitch like that to the FAA. Basically they want some connecting traffic diverted their way.

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Here is the story I was remembering:

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/11043/1124996-147.stm

It seems goofy, but on the other hand it is going to cost a LOT of public money to expand airport capacity on the East Coast, and the current conditions are very costly in total economic terms. So I do wonder if there is a way to make this work as a partial but cheaper alternative to East Coast airport expansion.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Philly
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As I recall the airport made a pitch like that to the FAA. Basically they want some connecting traffic diverted their way.

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Here is the story I was remembering:

Airport here desires overflow from East Coast

It seems goofy, but on the other hand it is going to cost a LOT of public money to expand airport capacity on the East Coast, and the current conditions are very costly in total economic terms. So I do wonder if there is a way to make this work as a partial but cheaper alternative to East Coast airport expansion.
even in that article it's obvious there are skeptics. as I understand it, there's nothing stopping airlines from doing this now...and a whole other group, including some former airline execs, want ground transportation to handle a larger share of short range flights. Atlantic city and harrisburg have also unsuccessfully been trying to cash in on congested airport. still others claim the FAA itself is a large part of the problem. honestly, it would be great for PIT and pittsburgh but I'm skeptical that it will happen.
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Old 08-11-2011, 11:26 AM
 
Location: Athens, GA (via Pittsburgh, PA)
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Just as I suspected: the PIT/DFW flight has become the Gassh*le Express.
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:00 PM
 
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as I understand it, there's nothing stopping airlines from doing this now...
Correct, at least as far as I know. So if there is a story to be told here, it likely has to be something about the existing subsidy structure distorting their incentives in an inefficient way.

I don't really know enough details to opine with conviction on that subject, but it doesn't strike me as implausible either. I guess the next step would be to see if we could find their white paper for the FAA.
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Old 08-11-2011, 12:26 PM
 
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Correct, at least as far as I know. So if there is a story to be told here, it likely has to be something about the existing subsidy structure distorting their incentives in an inefficient way.
I don't really know enough details to opine with conviction on that subject, but it doesn't strike me as implausible either. I guess the next step would be to see if we could find their white paper for the FAA.
there are a lot of screwy things in transportation. under Bush the FAA proposed to charge per plane rather than per seat to account for what they correctly saw as a commerical airline bias (specifically, the charter and corporate jets paid little to nothing even though they took the same amount of work as a southwest jet)...that seemed to go nowhere. that said, I'm not sure the move away from PIT was a result of subsidy but rather a shift in the market away from the old hub and spoke regulated system. I'd guess that the mix of strong O/D and geographical advantages of the east coast airports are worth dealing with the othe headaches. Of course, buried in there, is the fact that a large chunk of the PHL overhaul is on things that are nice but perhaps not necessary..like a monorail. from the FAA's perspective, it may make little sense to fund the commuter improvements (also a big chunk of the improvement package) though it would likely still make sense for the airport and city. not least is that each mode is viewed by separate departments rather than as a transportation market. the FAA, STB, FRA, and various DMV's, etc. geographically, a limited amount of feeder flights from the west connecting to transatlantic flights in pittsburgh might make sense...especially if, for example, there is existing traffic on denver, LA, and seattle flights (for example). not that I don't think the existing subsidy structure doesn't play a factor but it's all over the place. look at EAS, who complains about that, but it often costs in triple digits per passenger, yet none of the people yelping about spending $10 per passenger on rail have targeted those services. harrisburg dumped millions into their terminal, money that probably would have been better spent on the keystone corridor connecting harrisburg to existing big city airports and eliminating the need for short haul flights...ye the money all comes from different pots and has different constituencies.
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