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Old 07-20-2011, 01:13 PM
 
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Honestly I had a tougher time at Bishop Leonard which was a private Catholic school for my three years of middle school than I did in HS. However, I did feel the teachers at Bishop Leonard were more invested in their students.
I also grew up directly across the street from Bishop Leonard. Small world thread.
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Old 07-20-2011, 01:25 PM
 
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I should also clarify that I had a very particular experience within the Pittsburgh Public Schools -- I went to magnet programs (post-elementary school) and took basically all CAS classes. At Brashear, I think there were...maybe 25 of us in the CAS program, as I recall? That's probably like 5% of our class, and a lot of people dropped out over the years. Nonetheless, we had a very different experience than our mainstream peers, for sure.

I did take Phys Ed and Health with the mainstream kids in 9th grade, and I'll say it was pretty rough. There was a decent amount of violence -- kids who got picked on EVERY DAY...I saw a kid get his nose broken, at least one relatively insane fight in the lunch room, etc. There's definitely a code of conduct, and it's hard to know how to toe the line between being a good student and not being seen as a wimp or a suck-up when you're that age.

That said: In 9th grade, I had acne, braces, and glasses, I was an "honors student," I wasn't particularly athletic, I didn't have a TON of friends, I was a smart-ass, and I frequently wore Hawaiian shirts with red plaid boots. And I didn't have trouble with anyone, ever. I learned very quickly how to carry myself and get the most out of my education while dodging potential pitfalls. As weird as it sounds, I appreciate that I had that experience -- to make it out of there a lot more streetwise was something of a gift that's served me well into my adulthood.

The year after 9th grade, I transferred to CAPA and literally didn't see a single fight for 3 years, absolutely never felt threatened, and believe that I received a great education and a great set of friends I still value today. Lumping CAPA (and at least to some extent Allderdice) in with the anti-PPS rhetoric is just wrong.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:17 PM
 
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I don't think that this is something unique to PPS. With he increased importance of test scores and the practice of tying the results to staffing and funding decisions around the nation I understand this to be a common practice.
I am uncomfortable with billionaires dictating curriculum.
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Old 07-20-2011, 05:22 PM
 
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I am uncomfortable with billionaires dictating curriculum.
Why? Do you feel there are ulterior motives? I've seen no evidence of that. Were those that were dictating curriculum before doing a much better job? What has changed?

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Old 07-20-2011, 05:30 PM
 
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Of course they some similar issues in that respect, as they say "kids will be kids". But there is a distinct difference between "The Breakfast Club" and "Dangerous Minds", know what I mean?
Sure I do, but I've also noticed that you've repeatedly used Hollywood or entertainment imagery to define what you believe a suburban high school experience is. I can assure you that "The Breakfast Club" did not come close to defining my experience nor did 90210 or many of the other representations. I don't mean this as a criticism, but I think you may be romanticizing a suburban High School experience that you didn't have but I'm not sure it exists anywhere.
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Old 07-20-2011, 06:28 PM
 
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I am uncomfortable with billionaires dictating curriculum.
I agree - if anyone is going to dictate curriculum, better theocrats than plutocrats. Return public education to the Church by law established.
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Old 07-20-2011, 07:20 PM
 
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Make up your own mind.

THE BROAD REPORT: The "Broad Effect"

http://parentsacrossamerica.org/2011...e-broad-virus/
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Old 07-21-2011, 12:19 AM
 
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Nevermind.

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Old 07-21-2011, 06:07 AM
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I don't agree with this stuff. The infection of inner city schools is from within. It can be changed around, but it takes lots of caring parents to change it. Teachers and staff can't change the all important home life. All anyone can hope is East Liberty and Larimer pick up steam and house lots of middle and even some upper class to help the school districts have some more kids that have parents that want better for their children. That will help the numbers in the city and maybe enough to make a real difference. As far as some high power that dictates all this stuff, I don't really buy it. I do wondering sometimes about all the drugs in these bad neighborhoods though. That probably is the most disturbing of all. Anyway, supply and demand will dictate the city's future and right now we have some demand and personally I hope the trend continues. High demand makes things more expensive and shifts some poverty out of such a concentrated area of poor.
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Old 07-21-2011, 07:15 AM
 
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That's fine and I thank you for the links. Personally I find very little of that which was linked persuasive. It's all written in far too inflammatory a manner to be taken seriously and doesn't remotely provide an unbiased evaluation of the impact of these foundations on America's public schools.

I'm generally pro-teachers unions but this whole "Broad Virus" approach strikes me as the response of those whose feathers were ruffled by the "reforms" that these foundations sought to implement and not much analysis of the results of those reforms other than to say they pissed off some people, most notably the authors in the process.
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