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Old 08-03-2011, 10:03 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Keep in mind that the current desired plan is to demolish the entire 16th to 17th street section, and that's it. Renovate the rest. I haven't seen anything about serious plans to make other street openings (even if just pedestrian) and they are planning to put up a new building adjacent to the 16th Street Bridge.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:13 AM
 
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I don't necessarily disagree with this. But this you've written is a far cry from the two polarized opposites in the post my remark referenced. It has nuance, gray areas, etc.
I can't help myself sometimes.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:16 AM
 
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Keep in mind that the current desired plan is to demolish the entire 16th to 17th street section, and that's it. Renovate the rest. I haven't seen anything about serious plans to make other street openings (even if just pedestrian) and they are planning to put up a new building adjacent to the 16th Street Bridge.
The PHLF was still supporting passageways last I knew:

Strip District produce terminal on a trail to demolition

If this is like the typical public comment process, there should be opportunities for people to present different possibilities.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Oops, I also forgot to say "except 17th Street" because I knew the plan included extending 17th Street. I just think those other two connections would be quite important between 17th Street and 21st Street. The other semi-tough part is that they really should be at street level, unless they were to put, say, overhead pedestrian walkways. This means cutting through the loading dock.

It's good that someone involved likes having passages through, but that was not in the original developer plans beyond the 17th Street extension.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:33 AM
 
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I just think those other two connections would be quite important between 17th Street and 21st Street. The other semi-tough part is that they really should be at street level, unless they were to put, say, overhead pedestrian walkways. This means cutting through the loading dock.
I wonder if there is much substance to the loading dock. Anyway, I agree completely with the vision you are sketching--and you never know, it might actually be possible to put pressure on the developers to adopt something like that.
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Old 08-03-2011, 10:58 AM
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Ah yes, the stuck-in-the-1980s self-hating yinzer attitude. There is a huge and growing market for urban places that evoke the industrial/working-class era of America's great cities, a trend sometimes called Rust Belt Chic. Pittsburgh is ideally positioned to capitalize on this trend, but instead the yinzerati wants to destroy every related asset in Pittsburgh and proudly declare, "See, there is nothing interesting about Pittsburgh anymore!"
Oh no, I was called a "yinzer" again. I have to say brain, I do find you very funny sometimes. Pittsburgh has tons of great buildings. I hate to see great buildings torn down. That loading dock isn't one of them. It is very long and cuts the entire Strip from that great river. The trail on the river down there is also beautiful and it goes all the way to the point now!!!! Oh, but the Strip doesn't know about it because they have a huge building in the way that... IS a loading dock. The area should incorporate the river more. It will never happen with that silly loading dock sitting there. The grid needs to continue to the river. The original design isn't what it is now. There was railroad tracks using that loading dock and it cut the Strip off from the river. All that is left is the loading dock now. Why not open that area up and enjoy the river and that nice trail? You keep that long structure and it cuts the who place off.

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Old 08-03-2011, 12:33 PM
 
Location: ELFS
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So, who's going?
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:02 PM
 
Location: Mexican War Streets
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Didn't see this posted in this thread yet. Drawings done in 2006. Obviously, the plan has changed but some good representations on possible re-uses and sketches of possible cut-throughs.

http://www.alleghenyriverfrontvision...arketplace.pdf
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Old 08-03-2011, 01:40 PM
 
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Didn't see this posted in this thread yet.
That was very helpful. I particularly liked the cross-sections of the cutthrough, and also the historic photos (including one from the old 17th Street incline).
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Old 08-03-2011, 03:47 PM
 
Location: City of McKeesport
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I'm going to the meeting. See you there.
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