Pittsburgh Revitalization map (McKeesport, North Versailles, North Braddock: town, uptown, parent)
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You've done a very nice job, airwave. I'd like to offer my insight on a few places; during my time in Pittsburgh it seems all I was doing was driving and walking around, trying to get a feel for each different neighborhood, but I'm still unsure about some things. Does yellow mean "stable but a bit run-down", while green means "stable and nice"? How can blue mean "rapidly improving" -- as in "it's much better now than it used to be" -- and "transitional" -- as in "a couple of blocks this way it's really nice, a couple of blocks that way it's awful, so we're kind of in-between but not really evolving" -- at the same time?
If I understand the map correctly, here's what I'd suggest --
- most of Bloomfield (everything west of Gross St/Millvale Ave) should be yellow. It's not really unlike Morningside, Greenfield or Millvale. It's not fair to lump Bloomfield in with Shadyside, Point Breeze and Squirrel Hill.
- the "real" transitional/gentrifying area in Lawrenceville is 1) Butler St from 34th to the cemetery, and 2) Central Lawrenceville around Main St (between 40th and 44th, from Butler to Penn). A lot of the rest, especially Upper Lawrenceville, is not improving and not very different from Sharpsburg for example.
- Some of the streets in East Deutschtown (esp. Chestnut to I-279) are horrendous. Yellow is too nice.
- some suburbs stuff, minor but kinda looks big on the map -- most if not all of Churchill should be green not yellow, all of White Oak should be yellow not red, some of Crafton could use some green (not exactly sure where though). I'd also refine the shape in Wilkinsburg/Penn Hills so that most of what's around Graham Blvd is either yellow or blue (transitional).
Of course, if anybody wants to tell me I'm all wrong -- let me know!
What is that section of Blue between Robinson and Fairtywood?
That might actually be part of Robinson, I'm not sure. I made it blue since there is a demolished shopping center/urban prairie, but also a lot of new housing going up... and it's between a green and red area.
Again this map is great!!! To tell the truth, its probably the most useful post on this forum to new comers... Though IMH0 it could use a lil tweek'n
I understand your map doesn't serve the same purpose as my map, but a few more/less areas could be red...
Like East Dutchtown, there is a definite criminal element present[even though the crime rate is not high], and so if you added it in red then you could attach Three Rivers Manor, Spring Hill.
South Oakland is clear cut SOC Crip turf so it could be red... Even though regarding crime rates it is similar to East Dutchtown.
Whit Life aka MonView Heights is also a dangerous crip hood [I recently found that out for myself first hand], and if it could be incorporated with the red that would be perfect!
Swissvale up to Columbia Ave [west of the busway] SHOULD BE red; & Wilkinsburg northeast of Ardomre Blvd, Princeton Park, SHOULD BE red. Ik that map showed it as transitional, but even though the houses don't look bad, recently there have been homicides every year [including this one ]
Pitcairn is in the same shape as Esplen, Glassport, Portvue, Dravosburg so it could be red...
Idk if the Penn Hills red area should stretch that far./? Greg42 told me as far as Sandy Creek/Coal Hollow Rd. I think currently Wilkinsburg's only red sections should be: Franklin, Park Tringle, Hunter Park, the High School Area, & Princeton Park [if you looked @ BrianTH's map].
Mainland McKeesport west of Grandview Ave is really the only red area while IMO the rest could be yellow; & the same for Clairton... Clairton north of the tracks is OK, and could be yellow.
McKees Rocks [excluding public housing areas and Broadway St] doesn't deserve red IMO, yet 'cuz Idk that area too well!
Braddock Hills, White Oak, East McKeesport, Wilmerding, Wall, part of North Braddock [north of the two cemeteries], most of East Pittsburgh [south of Electric Ave], most of North Versailles [excluding east of the highway north if Maryland Ave aka Crestas Terrace] SHOULD BE yellow. Those areas aren't going through major decline or by any means dangerous; and they even have a suburban aspect to them...
Coroapolis even on at it's worst street DOESN NOT fit the red category. IMO Cory & Stowe are in between Leetsdale and McKees Rocks [which could all be yellow]. I also just thought Allendale Circle, Sheredan SHOULD DEFINATLEY BE blue/green!
Hampton Township, Allision Park & Gibsonia= GREEN..............................
I for the most part agree with barneyg's post... Larwanceville could be separated. I figure it as: there's a big difference between Upper & Lower, while Center L'ville gets cuaght up in the middle...
Bloomfield does have ALOT of non-gang realted crime [misdemeanors, theft, auto theft, assault, burglary, robbery, plus the occasional home invasion amoung others]... While E Carson St has a similar crime and a crazy night time atmosphere. Yet dispite the crime rates of the Southside & Bloomfield, we all know Beltzhoover/Knoxville & Garfield are the neighboring places to worry about in their sections of the city.
Last edited by Uptown kid; 08-22-2011 at 10:40 PM..
- All of North Fayette, South Fayette and Collier Townships should be green.
- All of Hampton and Richland Townships should be green.
- Elizabeth and Forward Townships should be yellow.
- Coraopolis should be yellow.
- Penn Hills should be yellow east of Sandy Creek, Coal Hollow and Beulah Roads.
- Monroeville should be green near Haymaker Road and PA 286.
Does yellow mean "stable but a bit run-down", while green means "stable and nice"? How can blue mean "rapidly improving" -- as in "it's much better now than it used to be" -- and "transitional" -- as in "a couple of blocks this way it's really nice, a couple of blocks that way it's awful, so we're kind of in-between but not really evolving" -- at the same time?
Here is what I said in a previous post:
Blue is representing what happens when a green region starts to bleed into a neighboring red region. So you really don't know what you are going to get, you could get something like Shadyside in one part, or like Homewood in another part of the same region. The one thing that all the blue regions have in common is that they are on the upswing as they are currently on the receiving end of a ton of reinvestment money.
The green areas are stable, very popular, and in very good condition. They are very close to realizing their full potential. The yellow areas are stable as well, but a little dated and run down in parts since there isn't as much money being invested into them as the green ones. They are basically stagnant. Red describes the areas currently experiencing a downward spiral of disinvestment, escalation in crime, as well as an exodus of people with no real end in sight.
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If I understand the map correctly, here's what I'd suggest --
- most of Bloomfield (everything west of Gross St/Millvale Ave) should be yellow. It's not really unlike Morningside, Greenfield or Millvale. It's not fair to lump Bloomfield in with Shadyside, Point Breeze and Squirrel Hill.
- the "real" transitional/gentrifying area in Lawrenceville is 1) Butler St from 34th to the cemetery, and 2) Central Lawrenceville around Main St (between 40th and 44th, from Butler to Penn). A lot of the rest, especially Upper Lawrenceville, is not improving and not very different from Sharpsburg for example.
- Some of the streets in East Deutschtown (esp. Chestnut to I-279) are horrendous. Yellow is too nice.
- some suburbs stuff, minor but kinda looks big on the map -- most if not all of Churchill should be green not yellow, all of White Oak should be yellow not red, some of Crafton could use some green (not exactly sure where though). I'd also refine the shape in Wilkinsburg/Penn Hills so that most of what's around Graham Blvd is either yellow or blue (transitional).
Whats wrong with East McKeesport? I've never been out that way, but I heard it was like East Pittsburgh, which is stable similar to Elliot
East McKeesport should not be red. It's a nice, stable neighborhood. Coraopolis should be yellow.
Come to think of it, I don't think East Pittsburgh, Wilmerding, and Wall should be red, either. I noticed that Pitcairn is yellow... North Versailles and parts of North Braddock should probably be yellow, too.
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