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Old 09-28-2011, 02:28 PM
 
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I'll admit that if we had decided to consolidate in Washington instead of Pittsburgh, we would probably have favored the District over Arlington ourselves, in part because we prefer historical neighborhoods.

Problem is, you can't build more historical structures, but you can build more new structures, and you can't create new historical neighborhoods, but you can build new TOD neighborhoods. This isn't so much a constraint in Pittsburgh yet, but some day it will be.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:28 PM
 
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That's not terribly concrete, and I am not actually predicting anything, but it wouldn't be unprecedented for a developer to decide you could plop a nice project right next to the Wilkinsburg Busway stop and jumpstart this process.
Not that it's necessarily going to stop anyone's plans, but this isn't the sort of news a potential developer wants to hear:

3 Armed Robberies Reported In 1 Night In Wilkinsburg - News Story - WPXI Pittsburgh

Probably an isolated series of incidents, soon forgotten, but all the same less than ideal news for TOD along the busway in W-burg.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:39 PM
 
Location: ELFS
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Georgetown is served by Metrorail. There is a stop just on Pennsylvania Avenue. It is a few blocks down the street from the Doubletree Hotel.
I'm not sure which Doubletree you mean, but there is no Metro stop in Georgetown. Perhaps apocryphal, word was when Metro was being built that the good citizens of Georgetown didn't want the stop that was supposed to go in at Wisconsin and K, so there is no stop at Wisconsin and K.
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Old 09-28-2011, 05:47 PM
 
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I'm not sure which Doubletree you mean, but there is no Metro stop in Georgetown. Perhaps apocryphal, word was when Metro was being built that the good citizens of Georgetown didn't want the stop that was supposed to go in at Wisconsin and K, so there is no stop at Wisconsin and K.
There's a Doubletree at 801 New Hampshire, a few blocks from the Foggy Bottom station. It's a reasonably long walk from the Foggy Bottom station to Georgetown (enough so that it's at least as common to take the Metro to Rosslyn and walk across Key Bridge to Georgetown as it is to walk to Georgetown from the Foggy Bottom station).

It's generally understood that a Metro station wasn't placed in Georgetown because of the engineering issues associated with the steep grade leading from the Potomac to Georgetown, and that the notion that a few local doyennes were able to prevent a station from being built because they wanted to keep low-income DC residents out of Georgetown is an urban legend.

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Old 09-28-2011, 06:31 PM
 
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Yup, I agree. Also, hills and weather are two factors that can keep people from wanting to live a completely car-free life. Walking in the rain can get old quickly.
There are many more reasons than just those as well. Not everyone's lives take place exclusively within Allegheny County. I've lived within the county for several years now and pretty much go car free as far as commuting to work and running certain errands, but I have family and friends who are centered in Washington County, and I make several trips to Canonsburg, McDonald, etc which technically could be accessed by public transit alone, but I'd spend half my day commuting and transferring.

I've even suggested that a friend of mine from North Strabane drive to South Hills Village and take the T the rest of the way to Mt. Washington, but he just looks at me strangely and asks why he'd get out of his car, and then pay 3 dollars to ride a train that stops every 30 seconds. As much as I love the T, his argument is just as valid, IMO.

Also, I travel a lot on weekends throughout the year in various parts of the region. Deep Creek, Geneva-on-the-Lake, Columbus, Erie, etc. The kinds of places that are most easily accessed by getting in the car and driving a couple of hours.

Not to mention, even the world's best transit system can't beat the convenience of having a vehicle ready at your command 24/7 so that a 5 minute trip to the store doesn't turn into 45 minutes worth of waiting for, and then riding in, a much slower bus.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:15 PM
 
Location: Litchfield Park, AZ
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We don't have that area's money or pay scale. Our taxes are too high for that kind of growth. Our terrain makes that kind of thing about impossible.

Not going to happen.
If Japan could build high speed rail in the 90's that went through mountain ranges and is capable of hitting 200+mph on the straights, I'm sure building something 1/3 as fast 20 years later wouldn't exactly be pie in the sky. Funding, of course, would still be an issue.
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Old 09-28-2011, 07:49 PM
 
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Some more TOD Examples , NJ and Westchester have really taken full advantage of every space within a 6 block radius of Transit stop or station. I'm sure Pittsburgh can learn from us , we have Suburban and Urban TOD.

Yonkers


Yonkers Waterfront (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6034158590/ - broken link) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/ - broken link), on Flickr


Palisades - 3.12.11 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/pierre_belarge/6114333150/ - broken link) by pbelarge (http://www.flickr.com/people/pierre_belarge/ - broken link), on Flickr

Morristown


Downtown Morristown (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5794757475/ - broken link) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/ - broken link), on Flickr


Downtown Morristown (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5795324146/ - broken link) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/ - broken link), on Flickr


Downtown Morristown (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5795312780/ - broken link) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/ - broken link), on Flickr

Harrison


Harrison (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/6109214259/ - broken link) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/ - broken link), on Flickr


DSC01970 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/42178139@N06/5216482256/ - broken link) by Nexis4Jersey09 (http://www.flickr.com/people/42178139@N06/ - broken link), on Flickr

They also have NYC within proximity...
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Old 09-28-2011, 09:10 PM
 
Location: On the Rails in Northern NJ
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They also have NYC within proximity...
So , that doesn't really mean anything....nor does it prevent Pittsburgh from having TOD....alot of cities are taking full advantage of TOD..
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Old 09-29-2011, 12:40 AM
 
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When the NSC opens next year I expect high density residential development to really begin to pick up steam in and around the North Shore. The city is already calling for possible developers:

URA seeks developer for North Shore, riverfront site

I can definitely see the floodgates opening soon.
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Old 09-29-2011, 05:57 AM
 
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Probably an isolated series of incidents, soon forgotten, but all the same less than ideal news for TOD along the busway in W-burg.
Although I don't think those stories are necessarily a dealbreaker (TOD has been done in higher-crime areas), I agree they aren't helpful. I've wondered in fact whether a developer in Wilkinsburg might be smart to offer an explicit security component.
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