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Old 10-11-2011, 07:09 AM
 
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Life is really tough. Deal with it. Stop complaining and work harder to make it on your own.
And you have arrived at one of the biggest reasons the OWS movement has sprung up. It's been over 30 years in the making, but the current generation of American's is going to be the first in a century to have a lower standard of living than their parents. By convention of the Protestant work ethic that is lauded in the US they have done everything right. They studied, they went to school or learned a trade, got out and... Under or unemployment!

Real wages adjusted for inflation for a middle income family is less now than it was in the 1970's. Furthermore, social mobility (How likely it is for someone to improve move up in income class) in the United States is now one of they lowest in the developed world. Furthermore, the gap between the rich and poor (GINI Coefficient) is now on par with several African and South American nations. That is a very real problem.

I don't know know about you, but I believe that we're better than that.

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Old 10-11-2011, 07:14 AM
 
Location: ɥbɹnqsʇʇıd
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I am 25 years old, I have plenty of undergrad debt, and I am currently putting myself through grad school at night. I absolutely know the state of tuition costs. Here are some stats on the average college student for you.

-The typical U.S. college student spends less than 30 hours a week on academics.
-Today, college students spend approximately 50% less time studying than U.S. college students did just a few decades ago.
-35% of U.S. college students spend 5 hours or less studying per week.
-50% of U.S. college students have never taken a class where they had to write more than 20 pages.
-32% of U.S. college students have never taken a class where they had to read more than 40 pages in a week.
-U.S. college students spend 24% of their time sleeping, 51% of their time socializing and 7% of their time studying.

And we wonder why they can't pay back loans? There is a distinct lack of ownership for one's own problems today. You cannot study 5 hours/week to get a history degree while racking up $80k in debt and expect to be OK.
So students spend less time studying these days (mainly due to technological advancements such as this nifty little thing called the internet that we're using right now) and thus they deserve to be in debt slavery because they want to better themselves? Does not compute.

But then again you are still young. Perhaps with age you will find out the idea of "I can become one of those billionaires!" requires an insurmountable barrier of entry and even then lawyers and others will attempt to gut you of that fortune anyway.
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:23 AM
 
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I am 25 years old, I have plenty of undergrad debt, and I am currently putting myself through grad school at night. I absolutely know the state of tuition costs. Here are some stats on the average college student for you.

-The typical U.S. college student spends less than 30 hours a week on academics.
-Today, college students spend approximately 50% less time studying than U.S. college students did just a few decades ago.
-35% of U.S. college students spend 5 hours or less studying per week.
-50% of U.S. college students have never taken a class where they had to write more than 20 pages.
-32% of U.S. college students have never taken a class where they had to read more than 40 pages in a week.
-U.S. college students spend 24% of their time sleeping, 51% of their time socializing and 7% of their time studying.

And we wonder why they can't pay back loans? There is a distinct lack of ownership for one's own problems today. You cannot study 5 hours/week to get a history degree while racking up $80k in debt and expect to be OK.
You do realize that we are the only modern democracy where people take on massive amounts of debt to get an education.
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:26 AM
 
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You do realize that we are the only modern democracy where people take on massive amounts of debt to get an education.

Seriously. Not only are we required to obtain higher and higher levels of education in order to get any well paying position we are supposed to pay for it for 30 years after the fact.
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:27 AM
 
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You do realize that we are the only modern democracy where people take on massive amounts of debt to get an education.
What does this have to do with anything?

Don't take out debt that you don't have a plan to pay back. How is that so difficult? Don't take out student loans if you don't have a plan for after school.


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So students spend less time studying these days (mainly due to technological advancements such as this nifty little thing called the internet that we're using right now) and thus they deserve to be in debt slavery because they want to better themselves? Does not compute.

But then again you are still young. Perhaps with age you will find out the idea of "I can become one of those billionaires!" requires an insurmountable barrier of entry and even then lawyers and others will attempt to gut you of that fortune anyway.

So we can make even more excuses for students to party every other night, screw off, not study and then be amazed when they don't know anything? Technology doesn't help you learn more. Learning takes time effort and work. Things that many Americans aren't interested in doing today.
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:30 AM
 
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What does this have to do with anything?

Don't take out debt that you don't have a plan to pay back. How is that so difficult? Don't take out student loans if you don't have a plan for after school.





So we can make even more excuses for students to party every other night, screw off, not study and then be amazed when they don't know anything? Technology doesn't help you learn more. Learning takes time effort and work. Things that many Americans aren't interested in doing today.

so, why is that your upset about someone partying while racking up their own debt? didn't you say...

Originally Posted by hnsq
Life is really tough. Deal with it. Stop complaining and work harder to make it on your own.


Or did someone who worked less than you in college beat you out for a job you wanted and your sad?
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:33 AM
 
Location: ɥbɹnqsʇʇıd
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Technology doesn't help you learn more
I seriously hope you are joking. Come on man.....
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:35 AM
 
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hnsq - maybe the study time is less because every single student must work 20+ hours a week to put themselves through school, then obtain one or more internship to have work experience before getting out of college to get work experience.

Also, if you asked me while I was in school how much I studied vs. partied I probably would have said that I studied 1% and partied 99% because I'm so intelligent I need very little studying!!! WHAT! In real life.. there were many all nighters being pulled.
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:39 AM
 
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lol @ people who think they're going to become millionaires/billionaires if only they work hard, and then vote against their own interests because they've deluded themselves with a dream that will never come true.
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Old 10-11-2011, 07:40 AM
 
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lol @ people who think they're going to become millionaires/billionaires if only they work hard, and then vote against their own interests because they've deluded themselves with a dream that will never come true.

LOL @ People that are THIS "ENLIGHTENED"


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Life is really tough. Deal with it. Stop complaining and work harder to make it on your own.
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