Pittsburgh VS Cleveland

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by boylocke

A wee little side note.

Here is a news article on the INCREDIBLE thing I mentioned before about burning salt water for fuel. You won't even believe it! Rock on PA.

KickingTires: New Fuel: Saltwater?

This one kinda blindsided me. When I first read it, I assumed they were talking about fussion power. However, that is clearly not the case. Interesting... I'll have to ask a friend who works at GE in Erie what this is all about. Not that there is any direct connection, but he would at least be a little more in tune with it than I would.

[RockLobster]

While Pittsburgh didn't make this list of top 10 worse job markets, our Northeast Ohio friends did. The 10 worse preforming economic markets were either in Michigan or Ohio. However Columbus and Cinci both were better performing economic markets then most of the Northeastern markets. A state of two sides with Northern Ohio falling behind the growth of Central and Southwestern Ohio. The top 10 nationally growth markets were all found in the Southwest area and one in Southwest Florida.

10 coldest job markets

3Youngstown, Ohio
There is a geographical sameness to the bottom 10. Three lagging markets are in Michigan, and four are in next-door Ohio. The latter's lowest-rated entry is Youngstown, a manufacturing hub struggling to adapt to the 21st century. It has lost 3.4 percent of its jobs since 2002.
Quick stats
Private-sector jobs as of mid-2007: 209,600
Unemployment rate as of mid-2007: 6.7%
Private-sector trend since mid-2002: Lost 7,300 jobs
Five-year growth rate: -3.4%
Private-sector trend since mid-2006: Lost 4,100 jobs
One-year growth rate: -1.9%

5Cleveland
Cleveland staged a brief rally between 2004 and 2006, raising local hopes by reclaiming 9,800 jobs that had previously been lost. But the arrow has turned downward again. Five thousand jobs have vanished since mid-2006, and the unemployment rate has jumped nearly a point.
Quick stats
Private-sector jobs as of mid-2007: 943,400
Unemployment rate as of mid-2007: 6.3%
Private-sector trend since mid-2002: Lost 3,000 jobs
Five-year growth rate: -0.3%
Private-sector trend since mid-2006: Lost 5,000 jobs
One-year growth rate: -0.5%

[boardmanite]

Originally Posted by RockLobster

10 coldest job markets

3Youngstown, Ohio
There is a geographical sameness to the bottom 10. Three lagging markets are in Michigan, and four are in next-door Ohio. The latter's lowest-rated entry is Youngstown, a manufacturing hub struggling to adapt to the 21st century. It has lost 3.4 percent of its jobs since 2002.

Not surprising... Recently there was a front page article in our local newspaper that reported how the Youngstown area has lost 20,000 people in the last 5 years. They're not just leaving the city, but also the majority of the suburbs... But I could understand why businesses wouldn't want to relocate to Youngstown. When I worked in the city limits they took freakin' 3% of my paycheck! Not cool...

[Dorian]

It depends on what you are looking for in a city to which is best. If your talking about football, LOL. of course pittsburgh. But seriously like someone else said Cleveland is alittle of a faster city, the roads system is way better with express lanes and wide highways, it also has the lake which if u like the coast but don't want to have to worry about hurricanes you maybe would like to live lakefront. Both have harsh winters but cleveland gets more snow because of lake effect. Pittsburgh tends to get hotter in the summer and colder in the winter because the influnce of the lake in cleveland. I think Pittsburgh is alot better looking, the skyline is one of the best you'll see. Pittsburgh's roads are not big enough for the population and have major traffic problems, I live in south park which is south of the city and there is alot of people who live in the neighborhoods around us but there is no major highway to the city from here. Pittsburgh has consistantly been one of the most livable cities in rankings while from what I hear Cleveland has high proverty and is struggling to turn things around. So, I say for family Pittsburgh is better. For fun and single life Cleveland.

[CortlandGirl79]

Movers, planners see ‘tech belt’ passing through area

By STEPHEN ORAVECZ Tribune Chronicle



YOUNGSTOWN — Two congressmen said Monday that cooperation is the key to unleashing the full potential of the region stretching from Cleveland to Pittsburgh, encompassing the Mahoning Valley.

Reps. Timothy J. Ryan, D-Niles, and Jason Altmire, D-Pa., call the region the Tech Belt. They organized a daylong conference at Youngstown State University to take the first steps toward building that cooperation.

About 100 representatives from organizations throughout the region attended. They included major hospitals such as University Hospitals in Cleveland and University of Pittsburgh Medical Center in Pittsburgh; universities such as Carnegie Mellon, Case Western Reserve and Hiram College as well as YSU; and foundations, planning organizations and private high-tech companies.

Altmire said they tried to cover all the growth industries — from bio-technology to alternative fuels and advanced manufacturing.

John Austin of the Brookings Institution said in his opening remarks that the region already has considerable education, industrial and technological assets. For instance, he said of the top 100 universities in the world, 20 are in the area — more than in the Northeast high-tech corridor or on the West Coast.

He also said the region is a huge player in the global economy. The Great Lakes states plus Ontario, Canada, would be the world’s third-largest economy after Japan. Given the resources available, he said, the area needs to stop fearing China and starting competing to win the economic battle.

To cash in on those resources, Cleveland and Pittsburgh representatives have to limit their competition to sports, where the Steelers and Browns are rivals, and start cooperating in areas that count in the global economy, the two congressman said.

Ryan said, ‘‘Can we all survive alone? Sure, we can survive. Can we reach our potential alone? No, we can’t.’’

‘‘We have this sort of arbitrary border that has been drawn there,’’ Altmire said. ‘‘We want to break it open and bring people together.’’

The idea for the conference grew out of an announcement earlier this year that two organizations that help bio-tech businesses get started — BioEnterprise of Cleveland and Life Sciences Greenhouse in Pittsburgh — would start working together. The two congressmen hope to see that kind of cooperation extend to other industries.

The immediate goal of the conference was to give participants specific tasks that will help make the Tech Belt a reality. A follow up conference is planned for the Pittsburgh area.

Ryan said, ‘‘The success or failure will be directly related to our expectations. If we see this as impossible, it will be. If we expect it to succeed, it will.’’

[jcu11]

First of all, choosing between case and CMU is win win.
But for Cleveland, don't forget John Carroll University, one of the best masters universities in the midwest. I am a student there, and I am familiar with Duquesne being from Pittsburgh. John Carroll is by far academically superior.

[kpoeppel]

That's the thing...for all the rivalry between Cleveland and Pittsburgh, the two cities are more alike than they are different: two steel towns hit hard by the downturn of U.S. manufacturing.

[Matt121779]

I think I may have a bit of an identity crisis... I was born in the Pittsburgh area (Uniontown), but raised in Cleveland. 5 years ago I moved to Las Vegas and my folks moved back to PA and now reside in North Huntingdon.

I know both cities very well and agree with one of the things that has been stated over and over again on this thread and that is that Pittsburgh seems to have more charm and character than Cleveland. Scenically, I think Pittsburgh has Cleveland beat hands down. The mountains, bridges, and breathtaking skyline, (especially from Mount Washington), make it a very photogenic town.

The people in Pittsburgh also seem to be a little warmer and down to earth than their Cleveland counterparts. I would have no problem taking a small child to a Steelers game. But if you ever go to a Browns game be prepared to hear the full spectrum of foul language. I never ran into such vulgar and rude sports fans in my life. I never experienced that at a Steelers game.

One thing for sure, traffic is a breeze in Cleveland. Those tunnels in Pittsburgh really back things up during rush hour. There seems to be no fix for that problem.

Culturally, Cleveland might be a bit more diversified and that could be a pro or a con depending on your perspective.

[kpoeppel]

Originally Posted by Matt121779

The people in Pittsburgh also seem to be a little warmer and down to earth than their Cleveland counterparts. I would have no problem taking a small child to a Steelers game. But if you ever go to a Browns game be prepared to hear the full spectrum of foul language. I never ran into such vulgar and rude sports fans in my life. I never experienced that at a Steelers game.

One thing for sure, traffic is a breeze in Cleveland. Those tunnels in Pittsburgh really back things up during rush hour. There seems to be no fix for that problem.

I don't know...I've encountered some pretty nasty folks at Steeler games I've been to. It's not most people, just a loud and vulgar minority. Probably had a few too many Iron City's in them.

As far as traffic goes, that's the price we pay for our sweet geography, unfortunately. I wish that our state government would spend more money improving and widening roads and less money on "feel good" options like bailing out innefficient transit authorities.

I've been through Cleveland many times, and only encountered heavy traffic once, which was due to an accident. I agree Cleveland traffic is a breeze!