Pittsburgh VS Cleveland (Indiana, Warren, Beaver Falls: jobs, crime, suburbs)

[Herodotus]

Pitt was on the Northside, or more properly, in Allegheny, Pa. before they moved to Oakland in 1908. Triangle Tech now occupies the old campus of what was then, Western University of Pennsylvania. The school was indeed in the Triangle prior to moving to Allegheny.

[Katiana]

Interesting. I learned some of that Pitt history when I went there (we were forced to actually, as part of our orientation). I know that even though the school was founded in 1787, it was not the same college it is now. Many of these old colleges were started as all-male schools (I don't recall if that is true of Pitt, but at that date, very few women went to college), and had different names. Basically, it has been continually operating since then under some name. Whoops, I see Herodotus just filled in some more.

[JoeP]

Pittsburgh is not East Coast, but it's definitely not Midwest either. It's more or less in a region unto itself.

Pittsburgh is Northeastern which is not a coast, but a region.

[fleetiebelle]

No, I'm not an architecture student, but I'm not impressed with CMU.

While the Beaux Arts style may not be to your taste, Henry Hornbostel is considered to be one of the best architects of his day. In addition to the first Carnegie Tech buildings, he also designed Soldiers and Sailors Hall and the New York Public Library.

[londonbarcelona]

[quote=boylocke;1427464]Oh, lol, I don't know near enough to talk about it, but I know WU version of UPMC is even more prestigious than UPMC.

Funny you should say that, because just last month I read a very large article about this. Cleveland and Pittsburgh suburbs are slowly but surely starting to bleed together and this will continue to happen. Part of the article was about some big commission/organization in Cleveland wanting to share some sort of mutual "economic feedback" with Pittsburgh. Their idea and request was for both cities to share technology, ideas, resources, and economic clout. I'm not sure what ever came of the meetings, but it's not a bad idea, I hope to hear more about it soon.>>>>

Great minds think alike. I can only see it as a benefit for the entire area. I hope they embrace the idea, because in today's world, it seems most people think "bigger is better." I'm not a crazy big city person, but I'd support anything that would help this area improve upon it's present situation.

[Ohiogirl81]

Cleveland Rocks! Ian Hunter said so.

Originally Posted by Hopes

Cleveland doesn't have the beautiful treed hillsides!

Of course it does, in the beautiful Metroparks and elsewhere, and it also has Lake Erie.

Originally Posted by londonbarcelona

Does anyone know how far the Lake Erie beaches in Cleveland are in relation to Pittsburgh and how far the beaches are in Erie, PA to Pittsburgh?

Probably about the same distance -- 2 to 2 1/2 hours (depending on how fast you drive!). Most of the 'buirghers I know and/or am related to that don't go to Erie will drive instead to Geneva, about an hour east of Cleveland. Headlands is about a half-hour east of Cleveland, another good beach.

[boardmanite]

Originally Posted by boylocke

Cleveland and Pittsburgh suburbs are slowly but surely starting to bleed together

Actually Youngstown is trying to capitalize on this. It's trying to promote itself as a bedroom community for commuters to either city because we are only an hour away from each. The Cleveland exurbs are getting very close to Warren, OH (in the Ytown metro area) and the Cranberry area is only about half an hour from Youngstown.

A while ago there was talk of a passenger rail line linking Pittsburgh, Youngstown and Cleveland. Nothing ever came out of it **surprise, surprise** but that sure would have been cool.

[boardmanite]

Originally Posted by la_torquemada

Well I think the question is settled just by the übercoolness of the name "Case Western Reserve."

Totally agree!

And the fact that the "Western Reserve" was originally part of Connecticut only makes it that much cooler! I'd rather tell people I live in Connecticut than Ohio.

[boardmanite]

Originally Posted by boylocke

boardmanite, despite the suburbs being nicer in outer Cleveland, Jason said that it was a great deal of urban sprawl and they were just beautiful as in new and laid out well and planned. He said they had very little character, they were just plain old "beautiful." Which he likes, personally. He likes new and fresh and planned.

Yes, I'd say there is a lot more sprawl in Cleveland, probably because of the fact that there is more open, flat land around Cleveland. However, some of Cleveland's older, established, leafy suburbs have lots of character. I personally like Shaker Heights and Cleveland Heights. And Cleveland has places like the South Side Works out in the suburbs. Both east and west. I haven't seen anything like that out in the Pittsburgh suburbs...

You should take a day or two and explore around Cleveland. I think you'll still prefer Pittsburgh, but Cleveland is moderately interesting...

[la_torquemada]

Originally Posted by boardmanite

Actually Youngstown is trying to capitalize on this. It's trying to promote itself as a bedroom community for commuters to either city because we are only an hour away from each.

Wow -- that surprises me -- if there's any city with a tough reputation, it's Youngstown. Right up there with Gary, Indiana in my mind. I remember is having the highest murder rate in the nation at one time. But I've never been there so maybe it's changed.