Cranberry ultra-growth? (Pittsburgh, Washington, Butler: for sale, new home, to live in)

[greg42]

Originally Posted by Tallysmom

And don't forget -- a lot of the Brush Creek Industrial Park is in Allegheny County -- it's right at the border. The post office complex is Allegheny County. I'd bet a lot of that money funnels into Cranberry for lunch and shopping.

Yeah it's very mixed right there. On Rt 19 south of the turnpike entrance, some of those eateries and such are also in Marshall (Allegheny). The buildings in Thorn Hill RIDC are split. Actually I think more of them are in Marshall than Cranberry. Certainly a lot of the Cranberry residents who commute to Marshall are commuting only as far as those buildings in Thorn Hill.

[Corvidae22]

Originally Posted by greg42

I might call Wheeling a little far for being a satellite, and certainly Morgantown is too far. But McKeesport, that is right on. What is McKeesport population now?

Just under 20,000. The per captia income is $13,242, actually below minimum wage. Yikes.

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by Corvidae22

Just under 20,000. The per captia income is $13,242, actually below minimum wage. Yikes.

Per capita income is the total wage earnings of a place's residents divided by the total population, so while a $13k per capita income is certainly low, comparing it to the minimum wage is not a very helpful metric.

[Corvidae22]

Originally Posted by HeavenWood

Per capita income is the total wage earnings of a place's residents divided by the total population, so while a $13k per capita income is certainly low, comparing it to the minimum wage is not a very helpful metric.

It's just for reference sake. To have an average below minimum wage is still alarming. I'm assuming it's not terribly uncommon is struggling areas but still caught me off guard.

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by Corvidae22

It's just for reference sake. To have an average below minimum wage is still alarming. I'm assuming it's not terribly uncommon is struggling areas but still caught me off guard.

It's not an average though, it's computed by dividing by the total population, which includes wage earners and non-wage earners alike. High/low per capita incomes relative to medians can be indicative of a sizeable skew toward the upper/lower classes, an unusually high amount of wage earners (eg, few children and/or retired elderly), or an unusually low amount of wage earners (eg, many children and/or retired elderly). That's one reason a lot of Utah towns have very low per capita incomes relative to their median household/family incomes. $13k is a very low per capita income, regardless. I just figured I'd take the time to clarify what the metric really entailed.

[Corvidae22]

Originally Posted by HeavenWood

It's not an average though, it's computed by dividing by the total population, which includes wage earners and non-wage earners alike. High/low per capita incomes relative to medians can be indicative of a sizeable skew toward the upper/lower classes, an unusually high amount of wage earners (eg, few children and/or retired elderly), or an unusually low amount of wage earners (eg, many children and/or retired elderly). That's one reason a lot of Utah towns have very low per capita incomes relative to their median household/family incomes. $13k is a very low per capita income, regardless. I just figured I'd take the time to clarify what the metric really entailed.

Well it is an average, just an average for the whole population and not working population. But that's just semantics and I see what you're saying.

The median income for each household is $23,715. Still low but jumps to around $12 / Hour. I can guarantee that difference certainly isn't due to retirees or a younger population. That place is just a mess and it's damn sad.

[ElijahAstin]

Originally Posted by Corvidae22

Well it is an average, just an average for the whole population and not working population. But that's just semantics and I see what you're saying.

The median income for each household is $23,715. Still low but jumps to around $12 / Hour. I can guarantee that difference certainly isn't due to retirees or a younger population. That place is just a mess and it's damn sad.

Yes, McKeesport is in very sorry shape.

[DurangoJoe]

Originally Posted by ryanm3685

Although not on my short list of places to live, I have to admit that Cranberry is in one hell of a location in terms of highways! You can get onto 79 and 76 easily, meaning you can go to Pittsburgh and surrounding areas without using tunnels.

This is exactly why growth in Cranberry has taken off the way it has over the years. The excellent highway access N,S,E, & W as well as proximity to the city turned it into one of the fastest growing areas in the state.

[JoeP]

People want to live outside of Allegheny County. Plain and simple. I mean look at all the reassessment crap and total over extension of our county, so we have to come up with more money to feed the union/tax based workers and all the corrupt employees.

Oh Jesus.

Let's get more accurate, some people want to live where they don't pay for services they use anyway - live in Butler County and suck off of Allegheny county and then blame unions or other AM infotainment boogeymen.

[speagles84]

Originally Posted by ferrarisnowday

I'd say that's because Cranberry and Robinson are the only 2 that are experience such growth, and are also pulling things away from the city - not just people. With so many jobs and businesses being pulled out there, it creates disdain for them. It's different than a true bedroom community, where people in the city don't really feel affected by it.

There are more than just Cranberry and Robinson. North Strabane/South Strabane is growing at an incredible rate. My current site for my job (it constantly moves) is in Washington and I drove down 19 for the first time in a year. There are lots of new housing plans and offices and strip malls being built in between Peters and Washington, I'd say on par with Cranberry. I think N. Strabane will have more than 20,000 or more residents by 2020 and it only had about 13,000 in 2010.