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Old 06-06-2012, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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People also complain about the quality of their schools, and see a connection between investing in their local schools and their investments in their housing.

Of course if you hang around certain places on the Internet, or listen to certain radio shows, or so on, you will get the impression that everyone thinks we are spending way too much on public education. But when you dig down into the politics on a local level, things are way more complicated than that, with lots of people actively supporting the idea of competing in terms of school rankings by investing in local schools.
Wow talk about changing the topic. How about getting back to the rip off state of PA that is killing us on buying a bottle of wine. Seems you really try and change topics to suit your needs.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:10 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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Wow talk about changing the topic. How about getting back to the rip off state of PA that is killing us on buying a bottle of wine. Seems you really try and change topics to suit your needs.
LOL Pot, meet kettle.

Anyway, how about tilting at windmills. Same thing. This change just won't happen.
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Old 06-07-2012, 04:43 AM
 
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Wow talk about changing the topic.
You need to take your complaint up with Garvdog, who introduced this tangent in Post #18.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Oakland CA
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The simple truth is PA makes a boatload of money off their strictly controlled alcohol sales. Years ago, I went home for a week, and a $2 bottle of Cook's crap champagne cost 10 bucks.

It's never going to change, until you all decide that it needs to AND you vote in a way to make up that revenue.

So -- where are you going to pony up more money?
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:14 PM
 
Location: ɥbɹnqsʇʇıd
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The simple truth is PA makes a boatload of money off their strictly controlled alcohol sales.
Yes, and after all the keystrokes and all the huffing and puffing this is what it comes down to. The state is scamming people out money because they can and there is absolute dick we can do about it.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:34 PM
 
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I'd suggest it is more about control than money per se. If you just want money, you can simply levy heavy taxes. Control allows you to subsidize rural areas, pass out jobs, and so forth.
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Old 06-07-2012, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh area
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There actually is a tiny glimmer of hope (much more than actual privatization at least) that the PLCB could get more flexibility with markups. I believe right now by law they have to mark everything up the same percentage or something dumb like that. That creates a few scenarios where things are cheaper and plenty where they are not. I can't really figure it out though. If I want Cointreau, for example, it actually appears to be cheaper here than most elsewhere (even at the regular rate of $35/bottle, let alone when it was on sale for $29 back in April). I might have thought it was a simple case of it creating a weird scenario here where higher-end items are cheaper and low-end items are too expensive, but that doesn't seem to hold true for everything.
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Old 06-07-2012, 06:29 PM
 
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It's not the unions that are currently the roadblock to getting rid of the state liquor stores - Democrats are not in control of the state legislature - right now it's the business lobby composed of bars and beer distributors that are blocking this legislation. Republicans consistently promise smaller government, but they consistently make it bigger.
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:04 PM
 
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Republicans consistently promise smaller government, but they consistently make it bigger.
That's the problem with special interest politics--you can't reward your friends and punish your enemies with small government.
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Old 06-07-2012, 07:12 PM
 
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The only way to stop the LCB is to organize a boycott that lasts as long as it takes to change the law.

But people are way too lazy to do this sort of thing, so the antiquated system will go on forever.

In Bellevue they have 'street sweeping' on Wednesdays and Thursdays where everyone who parks on the street has to move their cars to one side then the other. I suspect this dates back to the days when there was horse poop on the streets. It continues because some municipal workers want it to. And the citizens just accept it.

That's the same reason PA's liquor laws exist today.
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