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Old 06-11-2012, 09:24 PM
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I was on my way home and did a little shopping. I locked my bike up outside of a store and went in to get what I needed. I saw an employee frantically wheeling his bike back in the store and I asked, what are you doing? He said a few black youths stole someone's bike and tried to steal a couple others. I asked about mine and he said they tried, but didn't rip it off. Someone gave chase and got one bike back, but not his own. It made me realize East Liberty is still the old East Liberty that I have known for 40 years. Ah well, change if it ever really happens takes a lot of time. Also, the dumb projects all over the place will just make things very slow going. I am buying a few more locks and if I see certain profiles, I will follow them to make sure my belongings are safe. It is what it is I guess. The stereo type stuff lives. What can anyone do. It has been the same all my life and will be long after I am dead. If any cyclist read this, use a few locks on your bike. One isn't enough.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:52 PM
 
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...if I see certain profiles, I will follow them to make sure my belongings are safe.
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Old 06-11-2012, 09:55 PM
 
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That stinks, but I don't think bike theft is enough to damn it as "the old East Liberty." Bike thefts are relatively low on the scale of crime, and I'm sure they happen in places like Oakland and Shadyside often as well. If bike theft is what East Liberty is receiving a bad rep for these days, I'd call that incredible progress. What are "all the projects all over the place" that you're talking about? All of the large public housing towers have been torn down, correct? Are there any public housing projects remaining in East Liberty?
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:10 PM
 
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Break down of Central East Liberty's "projects":
There are over five senior citizen/disabled apartments south of the Blvd.
Fairfield/Penn Negley Mixed Income Apartments really aren't too shabby...
Penn Plaza is just a nuisance complex.
East Liberty Gardens, now that's a taste of ghetto it's actually family rent section 8. I bet in the places above no drug dealer owns a gun. In the Gardens most of them probably have macks or glocks.
I can sometimes eggaderte crime, but I honestly disagree with you that East Liberty south of the Bvld (excluding the Gardens) is rough. Does crime still happen? Yes... Do hood rats & dope boyz still patrol the area especially mixed income? Yes, yet were does it not happen?
I stand by any opinion that East Lib from the Blvd to Staton is still rough, yet since the Crack Stacks (East Mall, Lincoln Park & Pennly Penn Circle East) got razed East Liberty's had hope. Though IMO it will take YEARS before northern East Liberty is desirable agian...
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:29 PM
 
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Break down of Central East Liberty's "projects":
There are over five senior citizen/disabled apartments south of the Blvd.
Fairfield/Penn Negley Mixed Income Apartments really aren't too shabby...
Penn Plaza is just a nuisance complex.
East Liberty Gardens, now that's a taste of ghetto it's actually family rent section 8.
Thanks for the breakdown. Obviously senior citizen/disabled complexes aren't really an issue. The other ones aren't government operated, though are they? Section 8 is a government program, but it's a different story than true housing projects.

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I can sometimes eggaderte crime, but I honestly disagree with you that East Liberty south of the Bvld (excluding the Gardens) is rough. Does crime still happen? Yes... Do hood rats & dope boyz still patrol the area especially mixed income? Yes, yet were does it not happen?
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Though IMO it will take YEARS before northern East Liberty is desirable agian...
You may be right on that, but I would point out that there's a difference between a desirable neighborhood and a merely solid neighborhood. I can see that section of East Liberty becoming steady, solid, and safe relatively soon (5 - 7 years?). That doesn't mean that we'll be recommending it as a high end neighborhood to anybody, but it does mean that we won't be warning people away from it either. Maybe along the lines of Troy Hill, lower Greenfield (minus the good school district), or Hamnett Place.
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Old 06-11-2012, 10:33 PM
 
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h_curtis,

The realities of life. I'm sorry you or anyone had to go through this kind of ordeal. People don't need that kind of hassle. Thankfully you didn't loose your bike. An ounce of prevention...YadaYadaYada

h-curtis,

Get a good lock. A person once told me, " Locks are only good for keeping honest people honest."

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Old 06-11-2012, 10:42 PM
 
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We'll never be like some places in Europe, where you only need a cheap wheel lock.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:57 PM
 
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There are brand new unoccupied section 8 looking projects everytime I go through East Liberty and that's only on Negley Avenue and thereabouts. They aren't high-rises, yet they are a repeat of what doesn't work and gets graffiti and trashed/houses young thugs.

The city has a low murder count this year > 16 as of May 27 and East Liberty leads with 4.

The facts are evading you who believe Whole Foods, etc, are another renaissance for a doomed part of our city.

When you bury dead people do they ever come back? Places down in the dumps will never return to their former glamour.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:58 PM
 
Location: About 10 miles north of Pittsburgh International
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I saw an employee frantically wheeling his bike back in the store...
Funny that an employee, who must be there nearly every day, felt it safe to leave his bike outside in the first place if it's that bad....

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Fox Chapel
I ran into a roofer not long ago, who'd worked on the same site in Fox Chapel that I did. (I won't name the site, but Curtis knows where it is, cause he named it a while back when I made a vague reference to it.) The roofer and I got to BSing, and he told me that they'd lost 400 bucks worth of shingles from the site one time. About that same time the residents' association built a shed for their maintenance equipment.

The maintenance guy played dumb, until the roofer made it clear that he was about to call the cops, and the guy fessed up that the President of the HOA had told him to just take whatever he needed...

Theft is theft.
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:34 AM
 
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[quote]The city has a low murder count this year > 16 as of May 27 and East Liberty leads with 4. [quote]
No it doesn't! It's got two (one on N Saint Clair & one on N Euclid St) so far...

Last year only the Southside Flats had more theft than East Liberty (the lion's share happened south of the Bvld). Are these two the worst areas of the city??? Answer no, but you gotta use street smarts and for city standards that ain't bad. Over a corse of 10yrs (1997-2007) Homewood had 64 homicides & 170 shootings... That's about an average of 6 homicides & 17 shootings a year... Now that's a rough area, but the decade before was probably even worse. East Liberty from 1990-2000 had 25 homicides and these were it's worst years! From 2008-2012 its had 10 homicides almost all occurred north of the Bvld or in East Liberty Gardens. IMO Central East Liberty is livable and improving despite a sharp rise in theft.
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