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Old 02-13-2013, 01:15 PM
 
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Here's a comprehensive deck on what areas of the Transit Network that would make best for TOD. Very Good read.

http://www.goburgh.org/Portals/0/Doc...d-book-web.pdf
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Old 02-13-2013, 01:25 PM
 
Location: Polish Hill, Pittsburgh, PA
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Pittsburghers love their cars.
It's not like we really have a choice. We're not a densely-populated area like Manhattan where everything is within walking distance.
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Philly
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Here's a comprehensive deck on what areas of the Transit Network that would make best for TOD. Very Good read.

http://www.goburgh.org/Portals/0/Doc...d-book-web.pdf
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It's not like we really have a choice. We're not a densely-populated area like Manhattan where everything is within walking distance.
if you refer to p 31 of BB's link, you'll see why East liberty is tops in ridership. it's listed as "highly competitive" which is why I wondered why so much parking AT the station. why not a highrise? there are few places with as much potential for walkability and transit use as east liberty. the further out on the busway you get, the less competitiveness you have. the transit system leaves a lot to be desired. regardless of what mode of transportation runs on the east busway it remains one of the better lines for transit connecting places and people...interestingly, its basically the railroad (shadyside itself was a railroad station name).
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:18 PM
 
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It's not like we really have a choice. We're not a densely-populated area like Manhattan where everything is within walking distance.
We may not be Manhattan... but Pittsburgh is one of the easier places in the country to get around without a car.

Bike Pittsburgh | 2011 Census Data: Pittsburgh a Top 5 Biking and Walking City
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: ELFS
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We're not a densely-populated area like Manhattan where everything is within walking distance.
Finally!

To listen to you talk after you first moved here, you'd've thought you were in Manhattan, the way you aggressively mocked anyone who doesn't think of walking the two+ miles from your house to the Cathedral of Learning, Walnut Street in Shadyside, or the corner of Fifth and Smithfield as a normal, everyday activity.
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Old 02-13-2013, 02:25 PM
 
Location: Sebeka, MN
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I'd replace the Busway with an LRT. LRTs are much quieter and more aesthetically pleasing to the environs.
Since it actually does meet up with the LRT system they should have done this from the get go. Now it would be a monumental task to get that sort of a project going. Look at all the $$$ they dumped into the North Shore extension of the Light Rail System... only a fraction of what it would have taken to run rails and wire up the busway.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Philly
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Since it actually does meet up with the LRT system they should have done this from the get go. Now it would be a monumental task to get that sort of a project going. Look at all the $$$ they dumped into the North Shore extension of the Light Rail System... only a fraction of what it would have taken to run rails and wire up the busway.
actually, what they spent on the nsc is probably a lot more than what it would take to run rails up a busway or up penn ave. there's no tunnel, there's no pumps, stations would be simpler, etc. downtown to oakland is about the same distance as cincy's new streetcar, what's that, $150 million?
originally they carved the busway out of the railroad which i think was a mistake. if the city was only going to keep one commuter rail line it should have been that one with a four track row out of the city. instead they carved up the right of way, kept a less successful commuter operations, rebuilt steubenville tunnel and put the south hills trolley into it not because it was a good idea but because they wanted it off the bridge.
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Old 02-13-2013, 03:29 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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The east busway was a separate project from the light rail, but all were part of PAT's comprehensive plan in the 1980s for a combination of busways (east and south) and rehabilitated light rail in the South Hills, which was not a new system, but a rebuilding of the existing trolley system. The "Spine Line" project, which included the north shore connector, came later and was to be a subway under the Hill District from Steel Plaza and going all the way to Squirrel Hill. The cost to build a subway to the east proved prohibitively expensive due to the deep boring that would of have to been done, and also by the fact that the geology study located abandoned coal mines under the Hill, which made the cost even more expensive. The federal government at that time covered 80% of the cost of these capital projects, so the state and county share would have been reasonable. When the feds said that they could not pay for that much, the project had to be scaled back and the County Commissioners at the time (in the 1990s), had to decide whether to scrap the whole project or save the north shore connector portion.

The feds would not have paid to lay tracks on the east busway, since the whole idea was to create new transit corridors, not improve existiing ones.

Today it would be almost impossible to get federal funding for a project like this. We are free to pay for it ourselves, as many other cities have done, by raising the funds through a tax, but in today's climate, that would be impossible to do here. So any talk of expanding rail here is really just a pipe dream. It's not going to happen in our lifetime.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:11 PM
 
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I would add that in Seattle, in the underground portion, the buses and LRTs share the same routes. Maybe it slows them down (I don't know), but LRTs and buses can run on the same surfaces.
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Old 02-13-2013, 04:15 PM
 
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A lot can happen in a lifetime, I don't accept that statement as fact (though it's hard to argue that there is any hope as things currently sit).
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