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Old 10-31-2007, 10:54 AM
 
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jhprentissA scary statistic, no doubt. But I just moved here, and I'll take it over the 700+ in Los Angeles every year!

Los Angeles has been averaging in the 400's, at around 13-14 per 100,000, the last few years. Pittsburgh should be over 20 per 100,000 this year. I'm not making a point only stating what I believe to be facts.

By the way, I hope you enjoy the city! Welcome
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Old 10-31-2007, 11:12 AM
 
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Actually, from my quick findings, seems Pittsburgh has slipped a bit in terms of violent crime ( we are doing better when it comes to burglary and arson, etc).

At least recently we aren't "one of the safest large cities" in America, we are simply, "better than average."

I just read a day or two ago where two Pittsburgh legislators are pushing for 10,000 more policemen (and women) for Pennsylvania.

It's possible recent budget cuts for our men in arms has resulted in the slip (Philly, too). I imagine they will reconsider with these pushes.
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Old 10-31-2007, 12:56 PM
 
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Yikes! 70 homicides already this year in the city? Pittsburgh is starting to sound like Youngstown...
Haha, I know!
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Old 10-31-2007, 02:43 PM
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Pittsburgh's homicide rate is very bad for a majority white city. You have to compare it to other majority white cities, not Youngstown or LA.
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Old 10-31-2007, 07:51 PM
 
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Pittsburgh Courier:

There were 95 homicides total in 200675 took the lives of Black people, 70 of those were Black men. There have been 76 homicides in Allegheny County as of Sept. 3061 have taken the lives of Black people, 55 of those were Black men.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:00 AM
 
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Pittsburgh's homicide rate is very bad for a majority white city. You have to compare it to other majority white cities, not Youngstown or LA.
This was discussed before, but I think it's worth repeating that Pittsburgh's "official" (city) homicide rate suffers from the fact that almost all of metro Pittsburgh's suburban areas are outside city limits. Whenever you calculate that rate, you divide homicides (which are overwhelmingly concentrated in few neighborhoods) by population (which, depending on the city, may or may not include large suburban subdivisions). Most (but not all) of the metropolitan areas that have a population similar to Pittsburgh's have at least some subdivisions within their central city that have a more suburban flavor to them.

My point is, a central city to central city comparison (say, Pittsburgh to San Antonio, or Nashville) will probably show that Pittsburgh has a higher homicide rate, but once you compare the whole metropolitan area (including all the dangerous neighborhoods in the "top part" of the ratio but also _all_ the places where people actually _live_ in the denominator), the picture may well reverse.

Here's a link: 2006 Metro Area Violent Crime Rates

There's a bunch of smaller metro areas in there, so here's the 2006 violent crime rate for the 50 largest metro areas in the US only (data is missing for Chicago, Boston, Minneapolis, Providence, Charlotte and Jacksonville):
(violent crime rate: violent crimes / 100,000 pop.)
1. Memphis 1263
2. Orlando 879
3. Las Vegas 877
4. Nashville 858
5. Baltimore 824
6. Miami 790
7. Detroit 757
8. Tampa 709
9. Houston 707
10. Philadelphia 659
11. San Francisco 636
12. Sacramento 636
13. Kansas City 596
14. Milwaukee 580
15. St. Louis 566
16. Los Angeles 563
17. Birmingham 563
18. New Orleans 556
19. Indianapolis 547
20. Dallas 534
21. Atlanta 527
22. Oklahoma City 515
23. Buffalo 513
24. Phoenix 510
25. San Antonio 497
26. Riverside 489
27. Washington DC 478
28. Virginia Beach-Norfolk 462
29. Cleveland 460
30. San Diego 459
31. New York 438
32. Denver 428
33. Columbus 426
34. Seattle 416
35. Louisville 404
36. Richmond 378
37. Cincinnati 365
38. Rochester 361
39. Pittsburgh 360
40. Salt Lake City 345
41. Austin 345
42. Portland 324
43. San Jose 317
44. Hartford 315

I agree that inner city crime is a big problem that has to be addressed, in Pittsburgh as elsewhere, but there's a whole slew of metropolitan areas in the US that have worse violent crime and homicide rates than Pittsburgh.
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Old 11-01-2007, 12:35 AM
 
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Wow...I had no idea Memphis was that bad.
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:11 AM
 
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This was discussed before, but I think it's worth repeating that Pittsburgh's "official" (city) homicide rate suffers from the fact that almost all of metro Pittsburgh's suburban areas are outside city limits.
However, if we could find the real stats, you would find that most of Allegheny County's murders do occur within the city limits, and more specifically on the eastern side and the north side of the city. The exceptions would be Wilkinsburg, Mckees Rocks, Mckeesport.
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Old 11-01-2007, 07:14 AM
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This was discussed before, but I think it's worth repeating that Pittsburgh's "official" (city) homicide rate suffers from the fact that almost all of metro Pittsburgh's suburban areas are outside city limits. Whenever you calculate that rate, you divide homicides (which are overwhelmingly concentrated in few neighborhoods) by population (which, depending on the city, may or may not include large suburban subdivisions). Most (but not all) of the metropolitan areas that have a population similar to Pittsburgh's have at least some subdivisions within their central city that have a more suburban flavor to them.

My point is, a central city to central city comparison (say, Pittsburgh to San Antonio, or Nashville) will probably show that Pittsburgh has a higher homicide rate, but once you compare the whole metropolitan area (including all the dangerous neighborhoods in the "top part" of the ratio but also _all_ the places where people actually _live_ in the denominator), the picture may well reverse.

Here's a link: 2006 Metro Area Violent Crime Rates

There's a bunch of smaller metro areas in there, so here's the 2006 violent crime rate for the 50 largest metro areas in the US only (data is missing for Chicago, Boston, Minneapolis, Providence, Charlotte and Jacksonville):
(violent crime rate: violent crimes / 100,000 pop.)
1. Memphis 1263
2. Orlando 879
3. Las Vegas 877
4. Nashville 858
5. Baltimore 824
6. Miami 790
7. Detroit 757
8. Tampa 709
9. Houston 707
10. Philadelphia 659
11. San Francisco 636
12. Sacramento 636
13. Kansas City 596
14. Milwaukee 580
15. St. Louis 566
16. Los Angeles 563
17. Birmingham 563
18. New Orleans 556
19. Indianapolis 547
20. Dallas 534
21. Atlanta 527
22. Oklahoma City 515
23. Buffalo 513
24. Phoenix 510
25. San Antonio 497
26. Riverside 489
27. Washington DC 478
28. Virginia Beach-Norfolk 462
29. Cleveland 460
30. San Diego 459
31. New York 438
32. Denver 428
33. Columbus 426
34. Seattle 416
35. Louisville 404
36. Richmond 378
37. Cincinnati 365
38. Rochester 361
39. Pittsburgh 360
40. Salt Lake City 345
41. Austin 345
42. Portland 324
43. San Jose 317
44. Hartford 315

I agree that inner city crime is a big problem that has to be addressed, in Pittsburgh as elsewhere, but there's a whole slew of metropolitan areas in the US that have worse violent crime and homicide rates than Pittsburgh.
Yeah, but what are the demographics of the worse metro areas?

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Pittsburgh Courier:

There were 95 homicides total in 200675 took the lives of Black people, 70 of those were Black men. There have been 76 homicides in Allegheny County as of Sept. 3061 have taken the lives of Black people, 55 of those were Black men.
I'm pretty shure we all know this, there was a thread about it.
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Old 11-01-2007, 08:31 AM
 
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but pittsburgh is not that large of a city L.A has almost double are population pittsburgh has 324,732 (estimate) good point boardmanite pittsburgh has the most homicides by far with city of its size are least by the end of the year with all the talks going around in the city we might end up surpassing 100 thats not good with the most of the murders coming from homewood
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