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Old 05-12-2013, 04:26 PM
 
Location: Pennsylvania
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That might be not too far down the pike.

Yesterday, Rob Pratte was talking with Rep. Murphy on KDKA and they were really excited about the development of the region's gasfields, and investments like the cracker plant and Chevron's new office park in Moon.

The speculation of those guys was that more jobs would be created from gas than were lost when the steel industry declined 30 years ago.
Well, that would be tens of thousands then. I'll believe it when I see it; re-industrialization of that scale would be almost miraculous. I'm relatively uninformed about the industry, but how many more jobs are really likely to be added? What I understand is that development last year was actually put on hold in many places because the supply was outpacing demand, and excess gas would depress prices, which extractors obviously do not want. If things are stagnating this early on in the 'boom' it's hard to imagine how tens of thousands of more local jobs will be added without significantly expanding how the product is used, e.g., to power vehicles, replace coal, to be exported, etc. Even then expansion will be done utilizing as little human labor as possible because that is what is cheapest for the company and most profitable for the shareholders. It would be nice for the region, though.

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Old 05-12-2013, 04:36 PM
 
Location: roaming about Allegheny City
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How is it a stupid word? It has a specific meaning, lower income folks being pushed out by higher income folks because the cost of housing rises due to them moving in. If the rents in an area that were previously affordable to low income people become unaffordable due to higher income people moving in... then yes, that's gentrification. Gentrification isn't a synonym for "fantastic area," though some might misuse it in that way.

Gentrification - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If this is your definition of gentrification, then in my opinion, gentrification isn't necessarily a good thing. It sounds like a bunch of yuppies coming in and driving up property values--driving them up so high, in some instances, that middle-income people such as myself are precluded from buying. When people of moderate means get priced out of the market, which I imagine is a consequence of gentrification, that's truly tragic.

I very recently bought a home in a nice, safe, walkable neighborhood, and I hope many, many others have the same opportunity for years to come.

I have a question that's sort of related to your topic: Why are homes so inexpensive in Elliott? I've never been to the neighborhood, and I'm obviously not in the market anymore, but I was just curious. Here's an example of what I mean. Perhaps someone else will see this house and jump on it. It has some very attractive interior details (hardwood floors, possibly a marble Victorian-era mantle) and it's quite affordable: 1017 Elkton, elliott, PA 15220 (MLS# 961370) - elliott PA Real Estate - PittsburghMoves.com
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:35 PM
 
Location: 15206
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I have a question that's sort of related to your topic: Why are homes so inexpensive in Elliott?
Because Yuppies, hipsters, etc, don't want to live there.
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Old 05-12-2013, 08:43 PM
 
Location: Crafton via San Francisco
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Because Yuppies, hipsters, etc, don't want to live there.


Seriously though, is it a safe area? My son will be attending college here in the fall and I'm interested in finding inexpensive safe areas for him to look for a place. He'll be staying with me at first, but I think we'll both be happier if that is a short term arrangement.
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:20 PM
 
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Seriously though, is it a safe area? My son will be attending college here in the fall and I'm interested in finding inexpensive safe areas for him to look for a place. He'll be staying with me at first, but I think we'll both be happier if that is a short term arrangement.
Parts are ok, while parts are gang affiliated (still not dangerous). It was historically a gritty white neighborhood, but the neighborhood has overall declined ever since the BroadHead Manor Housing Projects & Westgate Village Section 8 Apartments closed down... At worse Elliott is edgy like current day West Oakland or South Oakland, so safety would be a slight issue, but noting major. East Sheraden and even what's left of Fairywood south/east of the park are dicer...
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Old 05-12-2013, 09:28 PM
 
Location: 15206
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Seriously though, is it a safe area? My son will be attending college here in the fall and I'm interested in finding inexpensive safe areas for him to look for a place. He'll be staying with me at first, but I think we'll both be happier if that is a short term arrangement.
I haven't been there in 6-7 years but it seemed ok but run down at the time. It doesn't border anything special so I don't see it getting nicer anytime soon.
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Old 05-13-2013, 07:59 AM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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I haven't been there in 6-7 years but it seemed ok but run down at the time. It doesn't border anything special so I don't see it getting nicer anytime soon.
The West End Overlook is in Elliott. I'd move there just to be within walking distance of that awesome view!
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:45 PM
 
Location: roaming about Allegheny City
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Because Yuppies, hipsters, etc, don't want to live there.
Well, honestly, who would want to live among yuppies and hipsters? Who can deal with the profound level of snobbery of the yuppie or the hipster who thinks he's truly unique by being exactly like everyone else in his in-group? lol Me, I'd rather live alongside regular, non-pretentious working people who aren't trying to keep up with the Joneses. That's why I actually prefer non-fashionable neighborhoods within cities.
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Old 05-13-2013, 12:55 PM
 
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Yeah, but your non-pretentiousness is soooooooo pretentious.
For the love of God, the vast bulk of us are just trying to manage a career, raise a family, pursue a few hobbies, and carve out a little space that's ours, while eating and drinking and making merry, but as soon as you make enough money to eat a little higher on the hog, people start ragging about how boring you are now that you can afford nicer food. Will no one speak up for the downtrodden and misunderstood yuppie?
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Old 05-13-2013, 01:31 PM
 
Location: Marshall-Shadeland, Pittsburgh, PA
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Yeah, but your non-pretentiousness is soooooooo pretentious.
For the love of God, the vast bulk of us are just trying to manage a career, raise a family, pursue a few hobbies, and carve out a little space that's ours, while eating and drinking and making merry, but as soon as you make enough money to eat a little higher on the hog, people start ragging about how boring you are now that you can afford nicer food. Will no one speak up for the downtrodden and misunderstood yuppie?
Don't forget the fro-yo and the psycotherapy for pet poodles!
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