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Old 05-23-2013, 10:25 AM
 
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The results are online by precinct.

I see that although Mr. Wagner was able to win precincts in Carrick, Westwood, Brighton Heights and Crafton Heights by 2 to 1 margins, and stay even with Mr. Peduto in the Hill District and Homewood- in places like Shadyside Mr. Peduto ran up 4 to 1 margins to win the day.

Apparently, even though Mr. Wagner was just about as liberal as Mr. Peduto on nearly every issue, and attached himself to all of the progressive red-meat issues like abortion and gay marriage , he looked too much like a social conservative and got crushed.

Maybe if he actually were a social conservative, like the late Commissioner Foerster, he could have done better in his strongholds- he couldn't have done much worse in the east end than he did.

Also, we found out that the voters in Pittsburgh don't consider the ability to endure great pain to be much of a qualification for office- Mr. Richardson only received 1%.
Anyone who knows anything about Jack Wagner knows he is very socially conservative. People are tired of Wagner. He got into the race late and didn't have a real platform. He spoke in very vague details and was too aligned with the police and firefighters. It actually worked in Pedutos favor that he didn't get those two endorsements. We have seen in recent years that those two endorsements really don't mean that much. Most cops are Republicans anyway.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:35 AM
 
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From talking to a neighbor who worked on previous campaigns the word out there is that Peduto people knew very early on what precincts they were going to handily win, which ones to write off, and which ones to target due to changing demographics. It came down to running major ground game in Stanton Heights, Morningside, Greenfield and the South Side, and turning up the AA vote in Homewood. Peduto's been unofficially running for Mayor for years, his people knew exactly who they needed to target and it paid off.

Wagner got in too late and didn't reach out to those possibly-undecided voters that Peduto was targeting (the middle class, younger families and transplants) with solid policy stances. You have to go deeper than being a good guy and a vet now that party endorsement doesn't mean much and name recognition doesn't resonate with new-comers, especially when the election is decided by such a small number of voters.

Exactly. It's about focus and figuring out which ones will provide wins that will propel you to victory. Each campaign should have this targeted. This is why some communities never see the candidates.
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Old 05-23-2013, 11:26 AM
 
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I think people are over analyzing things too much. Quite simply Wagner was late to the party & ran a terrible campaign. Also add in the Luke albatross that got thrown on his shoulder at the end of the campaign.
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Old 05-23-2013, 04:51 PM
 
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Anyone who knows anything about Jack Wagner knows he is very socially conservative............. People are tired of Wagner. ..........Most cops are Republicans anyway.



How do you figure Mr. Wagner to be a social conservative? The gentleman is in favor of abortion, gay marriage and gun control. That doesn't make him much of a "social conservative" at all, but instead consistantly socially progressive.


People are tired of Wagner, but they're tired of Peduto as well. There hasn't been anyone new for quite some time, and even the "new " ones like Mr. Ravenstahl are scions from established political dynasties.

In the city of Pittsburgh, the Democratic Party has been entrenched in power for 80 years, those who are interested in working for the city including the police are best advised to get involved in the majority party.
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Old 05-23-2013, 08:12 PM
 
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How do you figure Mr. Wagner to be a social conservative? The gentleman is in favor of abortion, gay marriage and gun control. That doesn't make him much of a "social conservative" at all, but instead consistantly socially progressive.


People are tired of Wagner, but they're tired of Peduto as well. There hasn't been anyone new for quite some time, and even the "new " ones like Mr. Ravenstahl are scions from established political dynasties.

In the city of Pittsburgh, the Democratic Party has been entrenched in power for 80 years, those who are interested in working for the city including the police are best advised to get involved in the majority party.
Peduto is probably lucky that Ravenstahl imploded/dropped out. Peuto had working on this run for mayor for years, had a sophisticated campaign strategy, and many enthusiastic supporters and campaign workers. Jack Wagner parachuted in at the last minute - a day or two before the final day of primary registration - and had no clear platform or message, barely any get out the vote effort, and was sort of associated with Ravenstahl, yet he still came up with 18,060 votes to Peduto's 23,597...who knows what would have happened, but it's not unlikely that Ravenstahl would have walked to another primary win had his behavior been better, or that Wagner would have ended up winning had he started campaigning several months earlier. But neither of those alternatives were reality, and there's no way to test them, so a little irrelevant.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:08 PM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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I wish Bob O'Connor was still alive. Maybe not the brightest guy around, but sure had a love for Pittsburgh and worked his butt off. Something Boy Luke could never say.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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Post election interview with Peduto in the City Paper.
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Old 05-29-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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His take on bikes and peds and transit can be found at:
Bill Peduto, Rising Urbanist Star, Wins Pittsburgh Mayoral Primary | Streetsblog Capitol Hill
You may not agree with all of his ideas but you have to admit he has some.
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Old 05-29-2013, 09:36 AM
 
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His take on bikes and peds and transit can be found at:
Bill Peduto, Rising Urbanist Star, Wins Pittsburgh Mayoral Primary | Streetsblog Capitol Hill
You may not agree with all of his ideas but you have to admit he has some.
Great link, thanks!

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The best way to achieve this is to make sure that the bulk of new housing development that occurs in the city is transit oriented and is located within reasonable walking distance to a transit hub.
Kind of an odd comment; why focus on new development? I mean it's not a bad idea, but how much new housing development is Peduto actually expecting? Don't we have the oldest housing stock of any major metro in the US? Even if that means we are due for new residential development, it would likely be on the existing street grid. I'd rather see city-endorsed renovations than new construction, though. The renovated homes on Woodland Avenue are a really good example of what the city should be pushing for; you keep the neighborhood character and have a like-new home. It's not cheap to do, but it's cheaper than demolition and new construction, and much less controversial.

My biggest concern about a Peduto administration remains that he might be too East End focused. We'll have to wait and see, though.
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