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Old 11-03-2007, 05:52 AM
 
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An interesting exchanged surfaced between the Ravensthal and DeSantis over the legal rights of gays in the city, and the other “big” issue over whether the city should allow "foreigners" to work for the city.

“Foreigners” being described as those who live outside the city lines.

In both cases, Mark DeSantis made it clear he welcomes all. The old school, provincial, protectionist attitudes that are keeping the city from achieving its potential been discussed at length on this board, and I for one, am sick of it - and I have only lived here 4 months!!

Could it be time for a change?
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:01 AM
 
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And to think Mayor Luke has been the picture child-mayor of the gay community. I spoke to one gay community leader on Friday and she indicated there was no suprise by Ravensthal 's answer. The mayor never returned questions about the gay community and wouldn't even answer phone calls leading up to the debate series several months ago. Gay Civil right's under Ravenstahl will Stall.. DeSantis is in line and showed up front that there is far more future upside with him..
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Old 11-03-2007, 07:12 AM
 
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Default Same thing going on within the Episcopal Church of Pittsburgh

There are some nuts that voted to leave the Church because they refuse to welcome gays as officers of the church.

Episcopal Diocese votes to leave

this battle is similar to allowing women to vote years ago. Desantis was very clear that he would invite members of the gay community to serve in his administration, and Ravenstahl wasn't
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Old 11-03-2007, 04:42 PM
 
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DeSantis is trying to bring Pittsburgh up-to-par with what is going on in national trends
in most cities across the country..but he has to fight the old-school,provincial in-bread
thinking that is common in the Pittsburgh area..

It is a matter of issues on the local level rather than party affiliation and what is good for a particular city...This city has very much potential..but will it have to die first and be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century?...time to think way outside the
box..
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:04 PM
 
Location: Erie, PA
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I don't know...it seems to me the main issues of the campaign were financial/economic, not "social." What do gays, "foreigners", or other "groups" have to do with it? Pittsburgh has a big problem: a huge debt and bankruptcy. Aren't all the other "issues" just red-herrings by comparison?
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Old 11-03-2007, 09:13 PM
 
Location: Wheeling, WV
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Default Agreed.

I've only lived in the city for a little over 3 months myself, but I plan on sticking around here for a while so I've followed the mayoral election pretty closely. I'm a staunch democrat like many Pittsburghers, but if I lived in the city and was eligible to vote, I'd cast mine for Desantis. He seems like he has a very solid view for the city.
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Old 11-03-2007, 10:35 PM
 
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I do agree the poor economics,damaging tax structure and deep pension deficit dominate the list of troubles the city faces.. And yeh Mr DeSantis in my book is the best candidate to tackle them.
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:40 AM
 
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Who ever threw that "group" rights question out there to the canidates is operating under the assumption..that groups are powerful voting blocks and that by voicing the support for what is assumed to be that groups interest,they will get that vote..

It could also be a test question to see how progressive the canidates are...however
in the context of this city and mayorial race the "gay marriage" question is irrevelant...

its about economics and finances not national social issues..
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Old 11-04-2007, 12:43 PM
 
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Valt - There are some nuts that voted to leave the Church because they refuse to welcome gays as officers of the church.

It's amazing how people (Valt included) can be intolerant of Christians and their principles. Judging someone's beliefs and principles by referring to them as "nuts", shows what kind of person you are. It's so easy for you to pick on Christians, what about the other major religions of the world that believe homosexuality is immoral? Why don't you just start bashing them too?
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Old 11-04-2007, 02:37 PM
 
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Default Intolerance = bad economics

I AM concerned with leaders who will not share power with gays, women, blacks or "foreigners" - this is not what we need right now. Quite to the contrary, if we are to move beyond the status quo of no economic growth, no net new jobs, we need leaders who are open - even ahead of - the times we live in. The smart, eductaed people that start businesses tend to be open to all people and ideas.

Ravenstahl did not say he would appoint a gay person to his administration, and DeSantis went out of his way to say he would. Ravenstahl said city workers over the city line are not welcome on his payroll, said that is nonsense, let the best man get the job.

The issue in the Episcopal Church may be related as it also has to do with allowing gays and women in the ministry - it is a frightening fact that the Pittsburgh region is the only region in the country that voted to leave the Church.

I can not vote there but I do plan to vote on Tues, and hope you will see the light as well, despite my lack of tact in discussing this most URGENT issue!
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