07-07-2013, 07:52 PM
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IMO Southern Brighton Heights still has more potential than East Deutschtown...
07-07-2013, 07:53 PM
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Brighton Heights is going down, way down. I've talked to several real estate agents about this; there seems to be a very unfortunate consensus about the trajectory of southern Brighton Heights, and that is, it's quickly becoming another Marshall-Shadeland. The northern portion is nice, but definitely outside of my price range.
I'm keeping my options open. Troy Hill, lower Spring Hill, East Deutschtown (which I really think has potential), and the lower part of Spring Garden all appeal to me.
IMHO, Spring Garden is a dump with lots of vacant houses that weren't so hot when they were built. East Deutschtown is a series of vacant lots, with a lot of crappy houses as well. My sister dated a boy in the 70's who lived on Turtle Way- not a house left in that alley. I see its destiny as mostly parking lots and outbuildings for the North Side medical facilities. The big unknown is the former ARC house that was built as a bank at Madison and East Ohio. If AGH takes this sturdy building over, they'll be few residences over there. The northern part of Spring Garden Ave has a lot more merit as a place for inexpensive housing that isn't that sketchy.
Troy Hill is ok, if you have a car. But the least expensive areas out on Straubs Lane are a long trek to the bus or to any kind of shopping. And the close sections near Goettman St. are a tad dicey similar to Spring Garden.
Spring Hill has nice streets on the eastern portions, but still not very walkable for any thing. The western portions overlooking I279 are hanging on the edge of that hill and are inexpensive, but those are crazy backwoods streets like Solar and Gershon that remind me of Appalachia.
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07-07-2013, 07:58 PM
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Your neighbors have no inkling which tenants are on Section 8. The term itself has become a colloquialism for bad housing and bad tenants, and sometimes code for black renters.
It really depends on a neighborhood. If it's a neighborhood where people have lived for generations, or at least many many decades, the neighbors know because they know the owners of the properties. All of the section 8s renters I know of are white so you're making a huge assumption about people using the term for black renters.
07-07-2013, 08:00 PM
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I agree Spring Garden isn't going to improve. It has been that way for 50 years. There's not enough desirable about it for that to change.
07-07-2013, 08:01 PM
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Troy Hill's an awesome neighborhood. I'd definitely buy there if the right house came along. Garfield scares the hell out of me, though.
Garfield may well be coming back, a couple of snooty restaurants have moved into Penn Ave., and there seems to be real action. I drove down Penn from Target a couple of Fridays ago and the street was filled with yuppie type pedestrians, no one that looked like they were a pusher, pimp or hoe was seen at dusk.
07-07-2013, 08:03 PM
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IMHO, Spring Garden is a dump with lots of vacant houses that weren't so hot when they were built. East Deutschtown is a series of vacant lots, with a lot of crappy houses as well. My sister dated a boy in the 70's who lived on Turtle Way- not a house left in that alley. I see its destiny as mostly parking lots and outbuildings for the North Side medical facilities. The big unknown is the former ARC house that was built as a bank at Madison and East Ohio. If AGH takes this sturdy building over, they'll be little residences over there. The northern part of Spring Garden Ave has a lot more merit as a place for inexpensive housing that isn't that sketchy.
Troy Hill is ok, if you have a car. But the least expensive areas out on Straubs Lane are a long trek to the bus or to any kind of shopping. And the close sections near Goettman St. are a tad dicey similar to Spring Garden.
Spring Hill has nice streets on the eastern portions, but still not very walkable for any thing. The western portions overlooking I279 are hanging on the edge of that hill and are inexpensive, but those are crazy backwoods streets like Solar and Gershon that remind me of Appalachia.
I recently talked to a neighbor who's friend bought a house in East Deutschtown. His friend, a lady who's very active in preservation, strongly believes the community is going to come back. I share that sentiment. East Deutschtown is too convenient to everything (Downtown, Strip District, the East End) not to make a comeback. Also, what's left of it is quite historic--mid to late 19th century Victorian architecture.
Troy Hill is definitely walkable for me. I like to walk much, much more than the average person.
The lower half of Spring Hill is walkable, at least for me.
And what's wrong will Appalachia? Yes, parts of Spring Hill do remind me of West Virginia! But I love West Virginia!
07-07-2013, 08:04 PM
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Garfield may well be coming back, a couple of snooty restaurants have moved into Penn Ave., and there seems to be real action. I drove down Penn from Target a couple of Fridays ago and the street was filled with yuppie type pedestrians, no one that looked like they were a pusher, pimp or hoe was seen at dusk.
Which end of Penn? Towards East Liberty or towards the cemetery? I'm just curious because it looked like blocks and blocks of decaying storefronts when I drove through there a few months ago. There are a few places but I expected it to have many more businesses than I saw.
07-07-2013, 08:09 PM
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Which end of Penn? Towards East Liberty or towards the cemetery? I'm just curious because it looked like blocks and blocks of decaying storefronts when I drove through there a few months ago. There are a few places but I expected it to have many more businesses than I saw.
Actually toward both ends more than in the middle. I saw a fair number of young people near N. Mathilda and I saw a couple of fancy beaneries near N. Fairmont and N. Atlantic which had yuppie types around.
07-07-2013, 08:11 PM
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I don't think BH is going down. Prices there are higher than ever. I think it'll peak because there's not a significant business district and it is kind of far from Downtown and the Central Northside, so there's only so far it can go up.
I'd like to be bullish on Brighton Heights, but outer city neighborhoods don't have a good track record in terms of remaining desirable nationwide, unless they're in the "favored quarter," which Brighton Heights certainly isn't.
That said, there's only so many displaced (or potentially displaced) poor people in the North Side to go around, and every single outer neighborhood can't fall, even if both Allegheny Dwellings and Northview Heights were closed. I think Brighton Heights is better positioned to maintain desirability than Observatory Hill, even though I like the housing stock of the latter much more.
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I'd bet on Troy Hill or Garfield.
Troy Hill is fantastic, IMHO. The last cheap intact urban neighborhood in Pittsburgh. I think the potential of Garfield is being destroyed by those low-quality suburban infill houses Bloomfield-Garfield Corporation keeps building however. Penn Ave will come along over the next decade, but very little is going to remain intact behind it, which will cause redevelopment to lag for decades longer than it should.
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IMHO, Spring Garden is a dump with lots of vacant houses that weren't so hot when they were built. East Deutschtown is a series of vacant lots, with a lot of crappy houses as well.
These are all perfectly defensible attitudes, but since you live in a 12-foot wide (IIRC) Lawrenceville rowhouse just like I do, they seem to be puzzling.
The major difference between Spring Garden/East Deutschtown and Lawrenceville is frame is predominant rather than brick. I'll be the first to admit that I have a brick preference, but there's plenty of frame rowhouse parts of the city, such as Polish Hill, Upper Lawrenceville, and Bloomfield, which are pretty desirable now.
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Troy Hill is ok, if you have a car. But the least expensive areas out on Straubs Lane are a long trek to the bus or to any kind of shopping. And the close sections near Goettman St. are a tad dicey similar to Spring Garden.
IMHO the best part of Troy Hill is between Gardner and Sundeman. By far the most diverse area in terms of housing stock. You can find brick rowhouses, standalone Victorians of size, craftsmen, even some suburban infill if it's your sort of thing. In contrast, the areas to the north and south of this are basically siding warrens ala Bloomfield (albeit usually with a few more original features of the houses maintained).
07-07-2013, 08:15 PM
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The Garfield business district is nice, but the residential district is a mess. You have historic homes sitting next to vinyl sided infill with front yards. It's an urban catastrophe.
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People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)