Why you should NOT move to Pittsburgh (Erie, Beaver: living in, budget)

[guylocke]

I am also familiar with discretion, which I willing choose not to exercise when the the tone of the person I am rebutting is overly-hostile... which I judge this posters to have been.

Fair enough. To be honest, I didn't even read your conversation with whoever this person is, so you could be right. I was just chiming in and agreeing with pittnurse in a general sense using her example, my posts weren't meant to single you out.

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by guylocke

You are able to rate someones post negatively or positively with the little "scale" icon in every post. If you really like what someone is doing, for example, being helpful and kind, you may give them a positive rep to show that.

However, forum rules state that you CAN'T give negative rep by simply disagreeing with another poster. A difference of opinions is not merit to give negative rep.

I wrote that assuming you may not know what rep is at all, if you do, I beg your pardon.

No... i wasn't sure how that worked... thank you. I'll give you positive rep for being helpful.

[guylocke]

No... i wasn't sure how that worked... thank you. I'll give you positive rep for being helpful.

SCORE!! lol.

[Katiana]

To clarify, my big beef with your post, supersoulty, was blaming those who left for "causing" Pittsburgh's problems, and for calling someone's family "ignorant". Pittsburgh's problems are multifactorial, to say the least. Some people left, to solve their own personal problems, such as no income. Some people leave because they want to see a little more of the world. This is America; it is a free society.

I still feel, after all this, that it is inappropriate to insult someone's family, especially when they are not part of the forum. Someone insulted my brother once, due to a reference I made about him, and did I see red! Their post was deleted.

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by pittnurse70

I wasn't referring to you. And I do agree with this latest post of guylocke's, too. Frank, even blunt is OK. Disrespectful is not. Calling someone's family ignorant is disrespectful. You would not want someone to say that about your family.

Actually, if someone called my family ignorant, they would be perfectly correct... hence why I got out of there as fast as I could.

Honestly... its not disloyalty or that I have no heart... I didn't choose my family... its more like an unfortunate circumstance i was born into. But, I suppose other people would see things differently.

[Katiana]

I give up!

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by pittnurse70

To clarify, my big beef with your post, supersoulty, was blaming those who left for "causing" Pittsburgh's problems, and for calling someone's family "ignorant". Pittsburgh's problems are multifactorial, to say the least. Some people left, to solve their own personal problems, such as no income. Some people leave because they want to see a little more of the world. This is America; it is a free society.

But I'm not talking about people who left the area. As a clearified in my earlier post, I understand that alot of people had to leave because of the collapse of steel. Those were hard times, and I understand that people had few choices. Like you said, others leave because they want to see the world. Also, no beef with that at all. If this place isn't for you, then it just isn't for you. Find a place that is.

I was refering to those who continue the cycle of white flight, who have a general attitude that the cities are bad "just because", who would think that living in any kinda community is just too much for them, and who are causing multitudes of problems for everyone... including themselves.

If you would like me to go into detail, then I can, but prepare for a rather lengthy discussion.

This is an issue that is on my mind particularly because I am in the MPA program at Pitt for Urban and Regional Development... so I deal with these problems on a daily basis. And I never cease to be amazed with people's aversion to city living, which often times can be well summed up with their aversion to mankind in general, or their aversion to a certain subsection of mankind.

I've skewed off... the point is that I personally have a strong disliek to the mindset of the poster, who displays all the traditional markings of a person who bases their view off of sterotypes alone instead of really looking at the true picture... and that is ignorance at its very core.

According to the poster, I should have been mugged right now on my way from Starbucks back to my apt... but amazingly, I have not. Nor have I been mugges on any of the many walks I have taken from my place to Pitt campus every single day... a total of 3 miles per day. The posters comments don't mesh with reality... they mesh with a concept of the central city that is frankly racists and anti-progressive to the core and its wrong.

*Ends rant and gets off soap box*

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by pittnurse70

I give up!

Then the day is mine!

[londonbarcelona]

Originally Posted by supersoulty

And frankly, I'm tired of hearing people who have no perspective on the issue tear down Pittsburgh. I have brought people from Philadelphia, Erie, New York City, and other places through this city and all they ever talk about is how great it is, and how much they love and it must be nice to live here.

Is it the greatest place on Earth... no. Are there better places for employment... certainly. Does it have problems... yes. But calling Pittsburgh a tax Hell, and a slum, and jobless and this and that and the other thing is just plain wrong and someone would know that if they had any clue what they were talking about.

Just curious, where do you take these people?

[supersoulty]

Originally Posted by londonbarcelona

Just curious, where do you take these people?

Just around... the standard tour I have put together so far is to take them first on a walk through Shadyside... then down to the Pitt/CMU campus area. Then I go to the Southside. Then we head Downtown. Then Mt. Washington (people are totally amazed by the Incline... they just can't believe it... and then that when they ask "does it work?" ha). Then to Hienz Field/PNC Park. Then to the Strip... I make sure to take them to the old Heinz Plant (great building)... then back home.