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Old 12-01-2013, 07:41 PM
 
Location: Brooklyn, NY
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Yeah, goodness knows I'm #1 defender of the city, but I'm an even bigger defender of not skewing statistics.

In 2012, there were 42 homicides within the City of Pittsburgh and 54 in outlying areas of Allegheny County.

Estimated 2012 population of Allegheny County: 1,229,866. Estimated 2012 population of Pittsburgh: 306,211. That leaves 923,655 in the "suburbs."

42 / 306,211 = One homicide per 7,291 residents.
54 / 923,655 = One homicide per 17,105 residents.

Neither is very high, compared to Detroit, New Orleans, Philly, or even Cleveland or Buffalo. But to say anything about how dangerous the 'burbs are in comparison to the city, based purely on raw numbers, is ridiculous.

But also: it turns out that, "if you consider safety as your risk of injury overall, we found that you're actually safest in larger cities and get less safe as the areas become more rural,"
Penn Study Finds Safety in Cities, More Risk in Rural Areas | NBC 10 Philadelphia
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Old 12-01-2013, 07:54 PM
 
Location: Manchester
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The stats still say it is an aging suburb
Is that a bad thing? I would like to see what the median age of Lebo has been for the past 40 years. It doesn't seem like a place "young" people flock to now, or ever have.

Just because the median age is 45 doesnt mean it will be suffering in the future, maybe in 15 years when said homeowner is 60 he will sell his house to a 45 year old. In order to afford a house in Lebo you need a good job, and have the desire to live in Lebo....seems to me that would happen more around the age of 40 rather than 25....
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Is that a bad thing? I would like to see what the median age of Lebo has been for the past 40 years. It doesn't seem like a place "young" people flock to now, or ever have.

Just because the median age is 45 doesnt mean it will be suffering in the future, maybe in 15 years when said homeowner is 60 he will sell his house to a 45 year old. In order to afford a house in Lebo you need a good job, and have the desire to live in Lebo....seems to me that would happen more around the age of 40 rather than 25....
Exactly. For many people that are paying mt. lebo prices; they get a job & live in the city in their 20s, working downtown & hitting the neighborhoods at night. Get hitched some years later. Pop out a kid, then when school age is approaching move to the affluent burbs in their 30s. Live their until retirement comes around then move wherever they live out their child free retirement. And then the cycle repeating with the next buyer.

Big shock - this puts the average right around 45 where one would expect it to be...
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Old 12-01-2013, 08:27 PM
 
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The young people myth | Regional Indicators | BUSINESS
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Old 12-02-2013, 03:56 AM
 
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New article on the rapid bus line in the burgh. They want to duplicate the success of the the cleveland health line!

Downtown Pittsburgh, Oakland rapid bus route urged - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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Old 12-02-2013, 08:16 AM
 
Location: Philly
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New article on the rapid bus line in the burgh. They want to duplicate the success of the the cleveland health line!

Downtown Pittsburgh, Oakland rapid bus route urged - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
so does that mean they want to carry a relatively paltry 15k riders per day like the health line or they aim to increase ridership in the corridor by 70%? will they account for riders taken from other routes? so long as they don't try to imitate the low ridership in cleveland
still, this sounds promising. anytime you talk about shaving a third off the trip time that is pretty huge (riders per labor hour)
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Estimated travel time from Downtown to Morewood Avenue would be just over 14 minutes, where current bus service takes 23 to 33 minutes.
Read more: Downtown Pittsburgh, Oakland rapid bus route urged - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

will this also run 24 hours a day?
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Old 12-02-2013, 10:40 AM
 
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so does that mean they want to carry a relatively paltry 15k riders per day like the health line or they aim to increase ridership in the corridor by 70%? will they account for riders taken from other routes? so long as they don't try to imitate the low ridership in cleveland
still, this sounds promising. anytime you talk about shaving a third off the trip time that is pretty huge (riders per labor hour)

Read more: Downtown Pittsburgh, Oakland rapid bus route urged - Pittsburgh Post-Gazette

will this also run 24 hours a day?
Well the only way i see this happening is through a federal grant. They are having trouble obtaining funding for the initial study. Btw the article states the cleveland line as a success. I see the same amount of ridership maybe less.
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:32 AM
 
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Well the only way i see this happening is through a federal grant. They are having trouble obtaining funding for the initial study. Btw the article states the cleveland line as a success. I see the same amount of ridership maybe less.
you see less? really?

wow ....

Who would've expected that from the man of 63 zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz z's, commenting on something in Pittsburgh comparaed to anywhere else on the planet.

Quite amazing .... a revelation .... as likely as seeing blue sky out of my office window in December no doubt .... er ... wait .... it's a miracle .....
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Old 12-02-2013, 11:41 AM
 
Location: Philly
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Well the only way i see this happening is through a federal grant. They are having trouble obtaining funding for the initial study. Btw the article states the cleveland line as a success. I see the same amount of ridership maybe less.
cleveland's health line also received a federal grant. to be sure, since Pittsburgh is doing much better than cleveland, it may be more difficult to marshal resources needed since they're less desperate or something positive. or maybe not. it appears that peduto and fitzgerald both nominally support the project so one can't claim lack of political support. I do notice that peduto makes no mention of avrr
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Old 12-02-2013, 12:24 PM
 
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you see less? really?

wow ....

Who would've expected that from the man of 63 zzzzzzZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzz z's, commenting on something in Pittsburgh comparaed to anywhere else on the planet.

Quite amazing .... a revelation .... as likely as seeing blue sky out of my office window in December no doubt .... er ... wait .... it's a miracle .....
If you are seeing blue out of your window you arent in pittsburgh. It is typical overcast. You never know about the ridership. How many people ride the 1.2 mile t extension?
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