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Old 03-27-2014, 08:19 AM
 
Location: Umbrosa Regio
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the metropolitan area lost 122 people since 2012
At that rate, the entire metro area will be devoid of human life in 516,760 years.
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Old 03-27-2014, 08:55 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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As noted in an earlier post, Chris Briem has a good analysis on his blog today. The natural population loss (more deaths than births) is still holding the overall numbers down. That will eventually reverse, but if it had been positive last year, we would have seen an increase. About 40,000 people move here every year, and about the same number leave, which is the natural churning.
Start reproducing more everyone. If everyone on the forum would have just one additional child we could turn this around.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:08 AM
 
Location: Washington County, PA
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That's the population of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area as of 2013.

The bad news is, the metropolitan area lost 122 people since 2012, but the good news is, it's still gained 4,582 people since 2010.

The bad news is, five of the seven counties in the metropolitan area lost population, but the good news is, Allegheny County was one of the two to gain population. (The other was Butler County.)

The bad news is, there are still more deaths than births, but the good news is, net migration is still positive, and has been for six years in a row.

We'll find out even more information from the 2013 estimates later today.
Good news for Allegheny county but can we please kick Fayette out?! Geeze. I'm also surprised Washington had a loss with all of the gas drilling. Also beaver county's losses are slowing it seems, to the point that it may be positive again soon. Howeever, Westmoreland looks to be getting worse.
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:50 AM
 
Location: Philly
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Good news for Allegheny county but can we please kick Fayette out?! Geeze. I'm also surprised Washington had a loss with all of the gas drilling. Also beaver county's losses are slowing it seems, to the point that it may be positive again soon. Howeever, Westmoreland looks to be getting worse.
It would appear that growth is concenrating around job centers and away from long car commutes. since there is no good train service in west moreland people are opting for shorter drives. that's my take. even the less than desirable west moreland bus service is apparently overcrowded
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Old 03-27-2014, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Western PA
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Fayette and Greene (which is not part of the metro) are the two poorest counties in Pennsylvania. No surprise that there is no growth there. Interestingly, Monogalia County to the south in West Virginia, which includes Morgantown and WVU, saw a pretty healthy jump in population.

Perhaps the reason for the loss in Westmoreland and Washington that we don't take into account is that the outer parts of those counties are still pretty rural and depressed, which may account for their population drop. Maybe we only notice the growth and development that borders Allegheny County since it's so close-by.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:36 AM
 
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I guess that I never realized how small in population all of the outlying counties of the Pittsburgh MSA are. Only Westmoreland is as populated as the City of Pittsburgh by itself and Armstrong is smaller than the East End.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:45 AM
 
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People hold on - yes it sucks that population is down, but we don't have the details of each county.

The natural change is still a drag on population #s. Typically, Westmoreland gains more than loses in migration but still loses net population due to death higher than births and the migration isn't enough to overcome that. Yes that is a problem, but these numbers don't speak to migration vs natural change.

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Fayette and Greene (which is not part of the metro)
Unfortunately Fayette is part of the metro. It shouldn't be realistically and neither Armstrong which was added about ten years ago.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:49 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh (via Chicago, via Pittsburgh)
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I guess that I never realized how small in population all of the outlying counties of the Pittsburgh MSA are. Only Westmoreland is as populated as the City of Pittsburgh by itself and Armstrong is smaller than the East End.
Yep. Pittsburgh is a fairly medium/small city in a medium/small sized region. If it wasn't one of the largest in the country about a century ago, the downtown would look more like Columbus than the fairly large, dense skyline/downtown it has.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:51 AM
 
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^^^ are you sure about that? i would have said Armstrong was part of the metro area since the 1970s.
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Old 03-27-2014, 10:56 AM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Armstrong and Fayette Counties are part of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area because their economies are so lousy that people commute to jobs in Westmoreland County. They have little or nothing to do with Allegheny County.

That's just one of the imperfections in the federal government's definition of a metropolitan area, though. The Atlanta metropolitan area includes Butts, Heard, Jasper, Lamar, Meriwether and Pike Counties, all of which have populations less than 25,000, and all of which lost population last year. To boot, most of those counties are closer to the city of Macon than they are to the city of Atlanta.


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^^^ are you sure about that? i would have said Armstrong was part of the metro area since the 1970s.
No, Armstrong County was added after the 2000 Census. On a related note, Fayette County was added after the 1990 Census, and Butler County was added after the 1980 Census. The original Pittsburgh metropolitan area was Allegheny, Beaver, Washington and Westmoreland Counties.
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