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Old 03-27-2014, 02:16 AM
 
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That's the population of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area as of 2013.

The bad news is, the metropolitan area lost 122 people since 2012, but the good news is, it's still gained 4,582 people since 2010.

The bad news is, five of the seven counties in the metropolitan area lost population, but the good news is, Allegheny County was one of the two to gain population. (The other was Butler County.)

The bad news is, there are still more deaths than births, but the good news is, net migration is still positive, and has been for six years in a row.

We'll find out even more information from the 2013 estimates later today.

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Old 03-27-2014, 04:05 AM
 
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2013 population by county
1,231,527 - Allegheny County
362,427 - Westmoreland County
208,206 - Washington County
185,476 - Butler County
170,115 - Beaver County
134,999 - Fayette County
68,107 - Armstrong County

2013 population change by county
+1,615 - Allegheny County
+392 - Butler County
-159 - Beaver County
-245 - Washington County
-260 - Armstrong County
-669 - Fayette County
-796 - Westmoreland County

Allegheny and Butler Counties added 2,007 people, while Armstrong, Beaver, Fayette, Washington and Westmoreland Counties subtracted 2,129 people.
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:00 AM
 
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That's the population of the Pittsburgh metropolitan area as of 2013.

The bad news is, the metropolitan area lost 122 people since 2012, but the good news is, it's still gained 4,582 people since 2010.

The bad news is, five of the seven counties in the metropolitan area lost population, but the good news is, Allegheny County was one of the two to gain population. (The other was Butler County.)

The bad news is, there are still more deaths than births, but the good news is, net migration is still positive, and has been for six years in a row.

We'll find out even more information from the 2013 estimates later today.
No surprise at all.. This is still a dying region
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:41 AM
 
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It somewhat of a bummer that Pittsburgh is grouped in with counties that are literally dying off. Nice to see the net in migration to Allegheny County has been positive for six years now but the losses in the outlying areas are really worse than they look since they're so much smaller to begin with. Fayette had only 135K in 2010, losing 700 is pretty significant at that scale.

You wonder what's going to be left of the rural areas of Western PA in ten or twenty year.
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Old 03-27-2014, 05:52 AM
 
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Chris Bream's thoughts on the numbers.
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Old 03-27-2014, 06:15 AM
 
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It somewhat of a bummer that Pittsburgh is grouped in with counties that are literally dying off. Nice to see the net in migration to Allegheny County has been positive for six years now but the losses in the outlying areas are really worse than they look since they're so much smaller to begin with. Fayette had only 135K in 2010, losing 700 is pretty significant at that scale.

You wonder what's going to be left of the rural areas of Western PA in ten or twenty year.
I actually wonder if the population loss in Fayette and Armstrong might be enough to take them out of the MSA again? Presumably there's a point where population loss drowns out commute integration.

That said, I dunno if there's any precedent for a county being taken out of a MSA.
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Old 03-27-2014, 06:53 AM
 
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It somewhat of a bummer that Pittsburgh is grouped in with counties that are literally dying off. Nice to see the net in migration to Allegheny County has been positive for six years now but the losses in the outlying areas are really worse than they look since they're so much smaller to begin with. Fayette had only 135K in 2010, losing 700 is pretty significant at that scale.

You wonder what's going to be left of the rural areas of Western PA in ten or twenty year.
Allegheny County is an oasis of growth in the middle of a sea of decline. Only three counties in western Pennsylvania gained population between 2012 and 2013: Allegheny, Butler and Jefferson. And it's worth noting that Armstrong, Beaver, Butler, Washington and Westmoreland Counties all have positive migration balances with Allegheny County, so Butler County would be losing population without it, and the losses in the other four counties would be even worse.


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I actually wonder if the population loss in Fayette and Armstrong might be enough to take them out of the MSA again? Presumably there's a point where population loss drowns out commute integration.

That said, I dunno if there's any precedent for a county being taken out of a MSA.
A couple of counties were recently subtracted from both the Louisville and Nashville MSAs recently. One might have been subtracted from the Cincinnati MSA as well.

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Old 03-27-2014, 07:20 AM
 
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It's good to see that Allegheny County is still having growth but I am surprised to see the growth has stopped in Washington and slowed a bit in Butler. So much for everyone wanting to leave Allegheny.
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Old 03-27-2014, 08:29 AM
 
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It's good to see that Allegheny County is still having growth but I am surprised to see the growth has stopped in Washington and slowed a bit in Butler. So much for everyone wanting to leave Allegheny.
it seems like the opposite happened last year
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Old 03-27-2014, 08:37 AM
 
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As noted in an earlier post, Chris Briem has a good analysis on his blog today. The natural population loss (more deaths than births) is still holding the overall numbers down. That will eventually reverse, but if it had been positive last year, we would have seen an increase. About 40,000 people move here every year, and about the same number leave, which is the natural churning.
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