04-11-2014, 11:13 AM
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Yes, everyone's paying, even if they never set foot in the sports palaces. If the owners had wanted to be really generous, they would have financed their stadiums and arenas without government assistance.
The Penguins were trying to take this approach, in case you don't remember. Isle of Capri was going to build a $290 million arena and casino with no taxpayer money. The state government's Gaming Control Board awarded the casino license to someone else.
04-11-2014, 11:17 AM
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There are plenty of seats for well under $172. Season tix are sold out and there's a waiting list. You can buy tix on ticket exchange from season ticket holders from around $60. There's also student rush tix for I believe $20. Pretty generous on the owners part. You want top tier players and a top tier team, you gotta pay.
I enjoy hockey, but I'm not into it enough that $60 would be worth it to me to sit in the worst seats in the house for one game. $60 is FIVE games at the season ticket rate I'm paying for
this seat at PNC.
And as far as student rush goes, aren't those so limited nowadays that you have to wait in line for hours before the game starts to even have a chance at getting one?
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As a further aside, I hate consol energy center as a venue.
I haven't been to a hockey game yet, but I did go to the opening-night McCartney show, and came away thoroughly uninspired. I couldn't put my finger on it - it certainly wasn't a BAD experience by any means - but it was just so...vanilla, I guess.
04-11-2014, 11:29 AM
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I enjoy hockey, but I'm not into it enough that $60 would be worth it to me to sit in the worst seats in the house for one game. $60 is FIVE games at the season ticket rate I'm paying for
this seat at PNC.
And as far as student rush goes, aren't those so limited nowadays that you have to wait in line for hours before the game starts to even have a chance at getting one?
I haven't been to a hockey game yet, but I did go to the opening-night McCartney show, and came away thoroughly uninspired. I couldn't put my finger on it - it certainly wasn't a BAD experience by any means - but it was just so...vanilla, I guess.
They're certainly not the worst seats. Theyre season ticket holder seats they aren't using and are selling. If you like those seats at $12 each, great. Pay the Pirates and enable an owner who barely spends and who has put a below average team on the field since hes taken over up until last year. If/when the Pirates become a viable team those tickets will also rise. For now they've been significant for 1/20 years. Either way, if you want to attend an event you do so. Nobody forces anybody to go and pay the prices.
Don't know the whole dealio about student rush. If you're a student and want seats for $20 you wait. If not you pay more. Point is, its offered...and gosh forbid one would have to wait in line for hours for something.
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04-11-2014, 11:47 AM
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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The Penguins were trying to take this approach, in case you don't remember. Isle of Capri was going to build a $290 million arena and casino with no taxpayer money. The state government's Gaming Control Board awarded the casino license to someone else.
Bingo.
But, but, but, but, the owners, but, the corporations, but, but...
04-11-2014, 11:50 AM
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I haven't been to a hockey game yet, but I did go to the opening-night McCartney show, and came away thoroughly uninspired. I couldn't put my finger on it - it certainly wasn't a BAD experience by any means - but it was just so...vanilla, I guess.
Ok, hate was probably too strong a word, but when you're undertaking a new large scale civic project I expect more. It's a very generic building on the outside & just as uninspiring on the inside. The more you go the more you can tell things they cheaped out on.
Other nit picks- the rows and sections are too large. (Not so important with a concert, but at a game with people coming & going you have to get up quite a bit to let people pass when the rows are 50 or whatever seats across.) Upper concourses are too narrow for as large as the top section is.
Seat views were overall better at Mellon arena.
I will say the foods better but that's a small consolation for having a brand new multimillion dollar taxpayer supporter bland venue.
How was Paul's concert by the way? I've never gone to see him & he's coming back in July & I feel I should see a real Beatle before they all die,
04-11-2014, 11:51 AM
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The Penguins were trying to take this approach, in case you don't remember. Isle of Capri was going to build a $290 million arena and casino with no taxpayer money. The state government's Gaming Control Board awarded the casino license to someone else.
That's not no taxpayer money as the casinos got a government-enforced monopoly on slots (and later table games). Giving away that for less than others were willing to bid for it is just as much spending taxpayer money as any other way.
04-11-2014, 11:56 AM
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That's not no taxpayer money as the casinos got a government-enforced monopoly on slots (and later table games). Giving away that for less than others were willing to bid for it is just as much spending taxpayer money as any other way.
Sounds like the government is to blame rather than the owners. That's weird.
04-11-2014, 11:59 AM
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Sounds like the government is to blame rather than the owners. That's weird.
I certainly blame the government any time they subsidize professional sports, but the owners were asking for the subsidy and threatening to leave without it.
04-11-2014, 11:59 AM
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And then all the teams would be moved and there would be even less money/revenue coming into the city. Nobody forces anybody to live in Allegheny County or the city. Move and don't pay or deal with it. Its not going away.
Let them move! Most of the people going to the games are local. If the team moves they will spend the money on something else. Your argument is a politician's argument which does not hold water.
04-11-2014, 12:04 PM
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Let them move! Most of the people going to the games are local. If the team moves they will spend the money on something else. Your argument is a politician's argument which does not hold water.
Obviously coming from a non-hockey fan.
Argument holds water without spilling a drop. Games are sold out, there's a waiting list for season tix, and money is being made and entertainment is being had. Nothing else is going to receive that kind of money.
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Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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