Where is the Ghetto? (Pittsburgh, Penn: live in, move to, trailer)

[creepsinc]

Originally Posted by simetime

Creepsinc

I think that you have the idea, but let me "tweak it" a bit. What should be done is legalize marijuana and use the taxes from those sells to fight the other drugs. By doing this you would free up some of the billions of $$ for domestic drug treatment and education programs. Unfortunately, the prison system lobbyist and whoever else that is benefiting from the empty hole which is our present drug policy

There was already a legalization sh*tstorm on another thread, but let me disagree with the premise that all drugs other than marijuana need to be "fought".

[KellBell]

Out of those few places you mentioned: Shadyside, Squirrel Hill, Mount Washington, Greentree, and Mount Oliver, Greentree is the most suburban if that is what you are looking for. There are other "more suburban" places that are fairly close to the city like Greentree is located.

[Huckleberry3911948]

an all white neighborhood would be a racist no? which is what you are trying to escape. how bout a mix? low crime, its not bout money or skin color, its bout how we treat each other. when we pull together the crime will stop. when mama stops being the lookout for her gangbang grandkid who is doing dope and tagging our block then it will get better.
i have a dream.

[USCCL]

I don't think alot of Pittsburgh neighborhoods are very diversed. But its probably worse in the suburbs. Look at Upper St. Clair. I don't think any of the kids have ever seen a black or hispanic person. I'm not trying to be racist here, but aren't there alot more crimes and gang violence in the "ghettos" of Pittsburgh?
Trust me, if you want to live in the city, try Shadyside or Squirrel Hill. Maybe even Grandview Avenue. It may be more expensive. But at least you are safe!

[aveojohn]

Originally Posted by Miss Shona

Ay-yi-yi...just what Pittsburgh needs; more closed minded people.

If you've ever been to Western PA (which you may have, but I guess you didn't pay attention) there are more "White trash" (and I can't stand that term...but unfortunately, I have to use it) areas than ghetto ones. Will those parts of the city be ok for you?

There is a very, very small hispanic population in Pittsburgh. The um, "ghettos" as you describe them are small pockets compared to other large cities like Miami or Chicago (where the rough ghetto areas expand for miles and miles) and unless you're looking for drugs or trouble, you won't really run into those areas.

Whatever; good luck to you (hopefully you're considering other metro areas as well though). Although I'm secretly hoping you find your "white" neighborhood -- then get a Puerto Rico family on one side, and a Black one on the other .

I realize this is an older post,But at the risk of stirring up the race card I am going to address it anyway.First of all,I admire the OP for his honesty.He is looking out for his family and or himself and is not afraid to say so.He does not want to live in a diverse community (I wonder why).This is his choice and the last time I checked this was still a free nation,his freedom of choice still exists and so does his freedom of speech as does yours.Since there seems to be a lot of problems in the lower income black and Hispanic areas,(believe me I know I live in New kensington) it is easier to stay away from them entirely than to pick and choose which ones are good or bad.No one has the time to look at different black or Hispanic community's and see which is good and which is bad.If one chooses a middle class white community in which to live he is almost guaranteed a trouble free life (I know,I was raised in one).This is the problem, no respectable white person,Or anyone for that matter wants to be around the knuckle head,hip hop,rap,no values,no morals culture (and that is exactly what it is!) I am sick and tired of White people being slammed and labeled racist every time they say they don't want to live around this garbage life style.As for ebonics,This is nothing more then a bastard version of the English language and black parents should suppress it use among their children. You will get nowhere if no one can understand you. I was going into a convenience store the other day and and a few young black kids were near the door talking, (maybe 15 or 16 yrs old) and I couldn't understand any thing they said.All I heard was,my ni**a this and my ni**a that,I just shook my head and kept walking.My point is,this exactly what White people don't want anything to do with and it has nothing to do with race.It is strictly a cultural issue. In closing, black people need to stop being so sensitive every time a white person makes a reference to not wanting to be around this type of life style,REMEMBER,IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE COLOR OF YOUR SKIN,GET IT ???? I have several black friends,but I'll be damned if I will be caught dead loafing with"da boy's in da hood.I hope to heck you understand this this is how most white People feel.I will not apologize for any thing I said,this is how I feel and am free to express it without prejudice.

[Agbor]

I think what gets overlooked is the class issue..it gets often translated into a race issue...I think where
people get defensive is that they are afraid that ALL African-Americans get lumped with the ghetto types
when people make statements as to who they don't want to live around...I think also, class differences
among African-Americans or Latinos get lost among non-African-Americans...That said, It is funny that
the title of this thread "where is the ghetto??" as if they want to go there ? This is more of a class,
generational issue than a race issue..There are a lot of black people that don't want to be around the loud, ignorant,agressive angry anti-social types walking the streets..Then you have the people who may dress "gangster" but then find out they may be making a 4.0 grade average...

I think some black people get upset in that they feel that some white people want to point out black "dirt" but are silent on they same type of white "dirt"...People could be doing crimes in the nice areas
but they have the money and houses with game rooms to cover it up...Poor people have less room and money so the crime and the type of it spills out into the streets..

You hear on the news in a nice neighborhood from time to time man next door did XYZ or meth lab busted..then the first thing you hear when they interview people there is "This is such a NICE neighborhood" Iam so shocked" or "he was such a quiet and nice man" or "we NEVER expected that HERE"...It makes me think that person is either dumb stupid,naive or in denial..Then again they may
not really know..then alot of it is media what gets reported and why easier to get a camera on a corner
as most of the news stations are in the city than in a private residence if no one answers the door..
anyway my 2 cents..

[aveojohn]

There are a lot of black people that don't want to be around the loud, ignorant,agressive angry anti-social types walking the streets..Then you have the people who may dress "gangster" but then find out they may be making a 4.0 grade average."
I doubt this very much, an intellegent person is't worried about looking cool.
"People could be doing crimes in the nice areas
but they have the money and houses with game rooms to cover it up...Poor people have less room and money so the crime and the type of it spills out into the streets.."
Not exactly,People in affluent, upper middle and middle class don't as a rule,need to commit crimes. though it happens from time to time. "This is such a NICE neighborhood" Iam so shocked" or "he was such a quiet and nice man" or "we NEVER expected that HERE"...It makes me think that person is either dumb stupid,naive or in denial " Of course their shocked,crime very rarely happens there. No one is in denial and I would be shocked if my old neighborhood had a breakin or robbery since there hasn't been more than a hand full (maybe three ) in over 50years .

[Agbor]

An intelligent person knows when to look "cool" whatever "cool" is at a particular place and time..As in
when going on a job interview the earrings come out and the navy-blue or black-suit comes on..If they
go out to a club..they can choose to look cool if they want to. "Cool" or not "cool" has nothing to do
with intelligence but maturity..I would think that at 35 one isn't hanging around 17 year olds trying to
look "cool". I would hope they would grow out of that..

I would say the "urban culture" has been corrupted to the point where in some places pants hanging down to the buttocks is "cool" no, it is sloppy..hat turned around, droopy pants is just the latest
youth rebellion..in the 60s it was long hair...I think all teens had fads of some type growing up..

[sr1234]

The question should be, "What part of Pittsburgh isn't ghetto?"

[zip95]

Originally Posted by aveojohn

I hope to heck you understand this this is how most white People feel.I will not apologize for any thing I said,this is how I feel and am free to express it without prejudice.

I agree... you are absolutely free to express the truth as you see it... now I am going to express the truth as i see it.

Did it ever occur to you that that living in New Ken exposes you to some of the poorest people (black and white) in the metro.

With that in mind, I don't think most white people feel the way you do. I think most POOR white people with questionable educations and sheltered lives feel the way you do (I concede that poor white is a huge chunk of western pa).... That said, I also think that many other white people, who live in slightly more affluent areas, may have been exposed to slightly more affluent black people, and it's not impossible for them to imagine a black professional.

You have to understand that the world as you see it (4 blocks from the New Ken projects) is different than the world as seen from Wexford... where your neighbor Dr. Jones happens to be black.

I don't apologize either because this is how I feel. I think you're inability to see the world as a complex system with variation within races... really says more about you. I also think your brand of racial attitude usually finds the most traction among the lowest rungs of white society.