East Liberty - 2015 (Pittsburgh, Carnegie, Oakland: lofts, theatre, public school)

[jay5835]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Where? The Phase 2 site has always been considered Shadyside by the city.

The signs used to say "Larimer," didn't they? Or "East Liberty"?

I'm not familiar with the different "phases"; where I'm talking about is the exit onto Penn Avenue from the outdoor parking lot (Coffee Tree, West Elm), where the hideous apartment buildings on the other side of Penn Avenue sit directly ahead of you. The Blue Sign says "Shadyside" on top of "Penn Avenue."

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by jay5835

The signs used to say "Larimer," didn't they? Or "East Liberty"?

I'm not familiar with the different "phases"; where I'm talking about is the exit onto Penn Avenue from the outdoor parking lot (Coffee Tree, West Elm), where the hideous apartment buildings on the other side of Penn Avenue sit directly ahead of you. The Blue Sign says "Shadyside" on top of "Penn Avenue."

Penn Avenue is the northeastern border of Shadyside, so a sign running parallel to Penn which says Shadyside there isn't completely inaccurate. IMHO it would only be misleading if the sign going into (the older part of) Bakery Square, or East Liberty Boulevard, was labeled as Shadyside.

[jay5835]

Originally Posted by eschaton

Penn Avenue is the northeastern border of Shadyside, so a sign running parallel to Penn which says Shadyside there isn't completely inaccurate. IMHO it would only be misleading if the sign going into (the older part of) Bakery Square, or East Liberty Boulevard, was labeled as Shadyside.

I would really have to be standing in front of (or driving through) the area to continue discussing this, but IIRC, in the pre-Google era, the Nabisco factory and Reisenstein School were thought of as being in Larimer and East Liberty, respectively. And pre-Blue Sign Squad, most people thought of both buildings as being in East Liberty.

As for Penn Avenue being the northeastern border of Shadyside, in general, I live south of Penn Avenue in this area, and I'm never quite certain if I live in Friendship or East Liberty. But Shadyside stops (turns into Friendship?), I thought, at Centre Avenue where it intersects S. Negley. And it becomes East Liberty when you cross Negley as you go eastward on Centre (although it stays Shadyside below Centre). But then, some of the area between Penn and Centre is clearly marked "Friendship."

This confusion is why I call where I live "ELFS": East Liberty/Friendship/Shadyside.

[eschaton]

Originally Posted by jay5835

I would really have to be standing in front of (or driving through) the area to continue discussing this, but IIRC, in the pre-Google era, the Nabisco factory and Reisenstein School were thought of as being in Larimer and East Liberty, respectively. And pre-Blue Sign Squad, most people thought of both buildings as being in East Liberty.

I understand what would have been commonly thought of as being the borders. The same way that the city has always said that Kelley's is in Shadyside, but no one looked at it that way because it was the "wrong side of the tracks." But Pittsburgh has always defined neighborhoods based upon census tracts (well, now census block groups, since the census eliminated some of the old census tracts) which leads to pretty inexact borders in some cases.

[norcider]

It's Shadyliberty yo!

[wpipkins2]

The former Reizenstein Middle School along with Mellon Park is considered Shadyside. The former Nabisco Factory and the Port Authority garage is located in Larimer. Penn Avenue is the dividing line. The Bakery Square complex spans two adjacent city neighborhoods.

[Geeo]

More totally useless information: up until the 1960s or so, the area that is now the Village of Shadyside was considered East Liberty, as well as the Highland Avenue and Ellsworth Avenue business districts. Once the Ellsworth Avenue Bridge was torn down (Ellsworth used to intersect with Centre near Highland), it got cut off from East Liberty and became part of Shadyside.

[ditchdigger]

I've pointed that out a few times, since that's where my roots are. Mom grew up where the Village of Shadyside now stands, and Dad grew up one street over. I grew up another five blocks or so from there. Google "Sacred Heart Church" or "Hunt Armory" which are a few blocks yet further south, and any references you find from that time period or earlier reference them as being in East Liberty.

Personally, I think the Village of Shadyside played a role in stemming the creep of East Liberty's decay during the last quarter of the 20th century further into what's now regarded as Shadyside, but it probably wouldn't have sold as well if they'd named it the Village of East Liberty.

Also, my sensibilities don't allow me to consider Nabisco/Bakery Square as being in Larimer. Call the railroad tracks/busway the dividing line, and it is and has always been East Liberty.

[norcider]

Growing up I had friends who attended Reizenstein in EL, not Shadyside. People would dispute the Nabisco plant being in Shadyside as well. It's Shadyside's psychological land grab BS, just like Whole Foods and Kelly's. Thankfully the Carnegie Library there is designated the EL branch.

[doo dah]

Originally Posted by norcider

Growing up I had friends who attended Reizenstein in EL, not Shadyside. People would dispute the Nabisco plant being in Shadyside as well. It's Shadyside's psychological land grab BS, just like Whole Foods and Kelly's. Thankfully the Carnegie Library there is designated the EL branch.

Shadyside's land grab or East Liberty looking for better branding?