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Old 07-21-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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So if you would make the argument for Mt. Lebanon, would you then include all the areas that have grocery sections in their dollar stores?
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:07 PM
 
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Neither Oakmont nor Verona really have a grocery store in reasonable walking distance from their CBDs, so would also be eliminated as "walkable"...
Your'e right about Oakmont, but Verona has a pretty large Giant Eagle within walking distance of a lot of Verona.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:12 PM
 
Location: Manchester
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I would say that having a full service grocery store is not a good indicator of a walkable area. Small local groceries are just a thing of the past. Granted, it would be nice if there could be a movement towards having small local grocery stores, that offer more than just high end and pre-made food, but also don't look a bargain bin. The competition and costs (and lack of profit) are real inhibitors to more of those in our neighborhood business districts. I think if someone can figure out a model that works and is sustainable, I really think it would be warmly welcomed in many of these areas.

Also, are we defaulting to the typical American when calculating walkability? If so, then most Americans struggle to climb a set of stairs, so anything hillier than Kansas is off the table.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:15 PM
 
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Your'e right about Oakmont, but Verona has a pretty large Giant Eagle within walking distance of a lot of Verona.
Have you actually walked down there? Try walking from the center of Verona (or their very small business district) to that Giant Eagle and back with a bunch of groceries. It's not set up to be very accessible by foot. It is literally on the periphery of the far southern end of town/
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:16 PM
 
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I would say that having a full service grocery store is not a good indicator of a walkable area. Small local groceries are just a thing of the past. Granted, it would be nice if there could be a movement towards having small local grocery stores, that offer more than just high end and pre-made food, but also don't look a bargain bin. The competition and costs (and lack of profit) are real inhibitors to more of those in our neighborhood business districts. I think if someone can figure out a model that works and is sustainable, I really think it would be warmly welcomed in many of these areas.

Also, are we defaulting to the typical American when calculating walkability? If so, then most Americans struggle to climb a set of stairs, so anything hillier than Kansas is off the table.
I would agree with that, and the altered definition would expand the number of local walkable communities dramatically.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:16 PM
 
Location: Pittsburgh
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Brentwood has a lot of walkable amenities, with a large shopping center including Giant Eagle just north of the 51&Brownsville intersection.

Just because stores are in a strip mall with easy parking, doesn't mean they aren't walkable for the neighborhood.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:20 PM
 
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Brentwood has a lot of walkable amenities, with a large shopping center including Giant Eagle just north of the 51&Brownsville intersection.

Just because stores are in a strip mall with easy parking, doesn't mean they aren't walkable for the neighborhood.
I don't believe anyone mentioned Brentwood either way. I don't understand your point.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:21 PM
 
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Have you actually walked down there? Try walking from the center of Verona (or their very small business district) to that Giant Eagle and back with a bunch of groceries. It's not set up to be very accessible by foot. It is literally on the periphery of the far southern end of town/
I haven't, but I go by there a lot. It's less than a 1/2 mile walk from the center of the business district (if you define that as the Trinity Lutheran on ARB) to the doors of the Giant Eagle, with sidewalks, so I'm not sure how it can't be defined as walkable.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:25 PM
 
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I haven't, but I go by there a lot. It's less than a 1/2 mile walk from the center of the business district (if you define that as the Trinity Lutheran on ARB) to the doors of the Giant Eagle, with sidewalks, so I'm not sure how it can't be defined as walkable.
I would certainly defer to the people who live in Verona as to whether or not it is "walkable"... but until then I'll have to disagree with you. I've actually walked around there enough to form my own opinion about it.
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Old 07-21-2015, 03:29 PM
 
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I would certainly defer to the people who live in Verona as to whether or not it is "walkable"... but until then I'll have to disagree with you. I've actually walked around there enough to form my own opinion about it.
Ok...I admit I haven't lived there (though I have walked around there...but maybe not as much as you).

I just know that I've seen sidewalks and at 1/2 mile I'm not sure what makes it bad (not arguing, just askin)
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