New Oakland Bike Lane (Pittsburgh: bankruptcy, average cost, stats)

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by ForYourLungsOnly

Unfortunately that will never happen with either drivers or cyclists. You will never have a 100% law abiding populace in either the driving or biking realm. Bike lanes, however, make it safer for both the bikers and the drivers, no mater how much the drivers want to complain about traffic or loss of parking.

I have no sympathy for anyone that doesn't want to abide by the law. It's quite funny, however, when those who condone not stopping at signs and lights while on a bicycle because it's too hard to get back up to speed are the same that complain about vehicles and drivers. If it's too hard and one doesn't want to obey traffic laws, walk.

[DaisyDaisy]

Originally Posted by Geeo

Bike boxes are beginning to show up on Pittsburgh streets. I just saw one at the intersection of Craig and Bayard streets in North Oakland. The bike lane is green and expands across the driving lane at the intersection. I would imagine that they will be appearing more as bike lanes are added. Seems to be working well in this part of Oakland.

I like the lanes and saw the green boxes too. My concern is the people who just drive over the bike lane, at least the twisty one on that section of Bayard before Bellefiled. I imagine those are the same people who have disregard for pedestrians as well.

Beyond the reckless ones, I'm not sure all drivers understand how to drive near the bike lanes and how to look to ensure a cyclist isn't coming before they cross into the bike lane to turn right. Hopefully with time but I'm not too confident given how backwards drivers here are about pedestrians. I had a cart in the middle of the striped box in front of waterfront Target last week and nearly got plowed by a driver.

[Catia]

...But walk with caution, because someone on a bike might need that sidewalk.

My biggest issue is that they want all of it--the sidewalks, the streets, the bike lanes, the trails.

There needs to be better code/law in place & a better divide.

Personally, I'm all for some type of registration & perhaps insurance, licensing, perhaps mandatory cyclists education. I think it's coming.
You can't just hit someone's child or grandma & not have to pay the bill.

Those who refuse to be compliant will force it -cyclist insurance will become a necessary evil-it always works that way-a few ruining it for everyone.

I, jaded I am, refuse to believe that this was all created for the 'greater good'...
Nothing is for free--it will eventually be some source of revenue--& I think that was always the plan.

[erieguy]

Registration, license, insurance, etc..., is a great idea.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by Catia

...But walk with caution, because someone on a bike might need that sidewalk.

My biggest issue is that they want all of it--the sidewalks, the streets, the bike lanes, the trails.

There needs to be better code/law in place & a better divide.

Personally, I'm all for some type of registration & perhaps insurance, licensing, perhaps mandatory cyclists education. I think it's coming.
You can't just hit someone's child or grandma & not have to pay the bill.

Those who refuse to be compliant will force it -cyclist insurance will become a necessary evil-it always works that way-a few ruining it for everyone.

I, jaded I am, refuse to believe that this was all created for the 'greater good'...
Nothing is for free--it will eventually be some source of revenue--& I think that was always the plan.

That's already the case. Cyclists are personally liable for any property damage or personal injury that they cause. Cases where that dollar amount would be enough to merit carrying insurance are exceedingly rare.

[erieguy]

Unless they hit and run or can't afford to pay. Registration and insurance will take care of those issues.

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Unless they hit and run or can't afford to pay. Registration and insurance will take care of those issues.

Do you have any examples of a bike hit and run in Pittsburgh? Or a cyclist causing so much damage that they couldn't afford to pay it without insurance?

[erieguy]

Originally Posted by ferraris

Do you have any examples of a bike hit and run in Pittsburgh? Or a cyclist causing so much damage that they couldn't afford to pay it without insurance?

Are you saying it doesn't happen?

[ferraris]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Are you saying it doesn't happen?

I already said it's exceedingly rare. Are you saying it happens with enough frequency and at a great enough cost to merit insurance?

[WhoIsStanwix?]

Originally Posted by erieguy

Are you saying it doesn't happen?

I would venture to guess it happens far less often than an uninsured motorist causing property damage that they could not afford to pay as well as less often than an uninsured motorist injures someone. I would take both of those separately compared to the entire universe of incidents where bicyclists hurt someone or did property damage that they could not afford to pay for.