The Burgh top city for Millennials (Pittsburgh, Beaver Falls: schools, university, quality of life)

[Blackbeauty212]

Originally Posted by gladhands

You just replied to a troll account. He's one of the regular Pittsburgh bashers. This may actually be the worst board on city-data, and I understand why people leave now.

Problem is we don't have vested Moderating in here like other subforums ... YAC is from OH and spends most of his time moderating OH forums .... Don't know why he was given a PA board to moderate. TooBusyToday Moderates every Pennsylvania forum except Pittsburgh. Again I don't understand it.

[yinzer93]

Originally Posted by Blackbeauty212

Problem is we don't have vested Moderating in here like other subforums ... YAC is from OH and spends most of his time moderating OH forums .... Don't know why he was given a PA board to moderate. TooBusyToday Moderates every Pennsylvania forum except Pittsburgh. Again I don't understand it.

Philadelphia elitism! Wait... That's just other paranoias leaking out. Sorry. Bahaha

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by gladhands

Spoiler

fhg

I wasn't aware Texas was a city. He could be comparing Pittsburgh to farm country.

My misunderstanding. I interpeted "here " in your previous post to mean "near Pittsburgh ".

[Lost_In_Translation]

All I can say is "keep building trails and pedestrian infrastructure!" People living in the city want to be connected by transportation other than bus or car and I've selected where I've lived in Pittsburgh because of walkability and alternative means of transport. Uber has tremendously helped as well. I'm excited for all the future growth and hope companies recognize the immense potential Pittsburgh has to be a bustling high tech city. I'd love to see all the revival and rebuilding of this great place!

[gladhands]

This thread perfectly encapsulates the Pittsburgh Pessimism and Yinzer negativity that's ruining this board.

BlackBeauty212 posts a facts and stat-based piece about the growth of Pittsburgh's college-educated millennial population. Like clockwork, the following responses start tolling in:

-Sure they're coming, but they won't stay
-Pittsburgh is no place for middle-class families
-There's no real difference between this city and the burbs
-If they wanted a real city, they'd go elsewhere
-It's not that really that cheap here
-They aren't choosing Pittsburgh, they're just going where they found a job (also there are no good paying jobs here)


I'm sorry if your existence has been so insular that you really don't know what housing prices are like in comparable areas.

I'm sorry if the horrid decline of the city in the post-steel era made you adopt the defeatist attitude of a perpetual loser.

I'm not sorry that the sense of superiority that you derived from your or your parents' ability to escape the hardscrabble realities of the old Pittsburgh is beginning to erode, and you've become increasingly defensive.

The city is changing for the better, with or without you.

[erieguy]

I didn't see anything that wasn't true in any of the posts. There's positives and negatives with every area. The change is great. It'll be even better when they clean it up even more.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by gladhands

This thread perfectly encapsulates the Pittsburgh Pessimism and Yinzer negativity that's ruining this board.

BlackBeauty212 posts a facts and stat-based piece about the growth of Pittsburgh's college-educated millennial population. Like clockwork, the following responses start tolling in:

-Sure they're coming, but they won't stay
-Pittsburgh is no place for middle-class families
-There's no real difference between this city and the burbs
-If they wanted a real city, they'd go elsewhere
-It's not that really that cheap here
-They aren't choosing Pittsburgh, they're just going where they found a job (also there are no good paying jobs here)


I'm sorry if your existence has been so insular that you really don't know what housing prices are like in comparable areas.

I'm sorry if the horrid decline of the city in the post-steel era made you adopt the defeatist attitude of a perpetual loser.

I'm not sorry that the sense of superiority that you derived from your or your parents' ability to escape the hardscrabble realities of the old Pittsburgh is beginning to erode, and you've become increasingly defensive.

The city is changing for the better, with or without you.

OK, I'm going to say something I thought earlier but didn't post. This article was interesting, but way too "fluff". Lots of little anecdotes about specific people who moved here, get this, for jobs, not because they decided Pittsburgh was the best place EVER! As far as the number of Millennials, it appears that Pittsburgh is in the "most improved" category. It doesn't say what percentage of the population is Millennial, it talks about the increase in the Millennial population. There is a difference. It's number crunching.

Here's a quote: "Museums, parks, bike trails, social and artistic events and affordable housing carved out of former industrial buildings have proved attractive to young people setting out on their own from other parts of the country." Most cities have museums, parks, bike trails, social and artistic events, and many have affordable housing. Are most Millennials in Pittsburgh living in old warehouses or on former steel mill property? The article didn't really discuss young people setting out on their own from other parts of the country. The physician couple from Denver came for specific physician jobs, not your average just out of college Millennial looking to find a place to live. The woman from Germany went to Pittsburgh because her job brought her there, not because she decided she wanted to live in Pittsburgh.

[Paul2421]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

OK, I'm going to say something I thought earlier but didn't post. This article was interesting, but way too "fluff". Lots of little anecdotes about specific people who moved here, get this, for jobs, not because they decided Pittsburgh was the best place EVER! As far as the number of Millennials, it appears that Pittsburgh is in the "most improved" category. It doesn't say what percentage of the population is Millennial, it talks about the increase in the Millennial population. There is a difference. It's number crunching.

Here's a quote: "Museums, parks, bike trails, social and artistic events and affordable housing carved out of former industrial buildings have proved attractive to young people setting out on their own from other parts of the country." Most cities have museums, parks, bike trails, social and artistic events, and many have affordable housing. Are most Millennials in Pittsburgh living in old warehouses or on former steel mill property? The article didn't really discuss young people setting out on their own from other parts of the country. The physician couple from Denver came for specific physician jobs, not your average just out of college Millennial looking to find a place to live. The woman from Germany went to Pittsburgh because her job brought her there, not because she decided she wanted to live in Pittsburgh.

Same old narrative. The articles love to go on about the transplants and mega earners google, etc. that have supposedly brought new life to the city when it really has been the born and bred pittsburghers that have done most of the work. the same old narrative and we don't need publications to tell us how good our city is. we already know. having criticisms on where we can improve is not some type of pessimism it is realism. ignoring the problems doesn't make them go away.

[eschaton]

FWIW the level of toxic interaction between city and suburb are far less in Pittsburgh than any other city I have lived in or visited. I credit this to unique features of Pittsburgh and its metro. Pittsburgh ended up with unusually weak levels of white flight for a major city, and retained wealthy city neighborhoods even through the worst eras, meaning the city hasn't received as much veiled racial animus as is normal from suburbanites. At the same time, the large number of poor mill towns outside of Pittsburgh city limits means the "suburbs" themselves are economically and racially diverse. I honestly hear people from the South Hills, for example, talk smack on the North Hills more frequently than the city itself.

[gg]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Here's a quote: "Museums, parks, bike trails, social and artistic events and affordable housing carved out of former industrial buildings have proved attractive to young people setting out on their own from other parts of the country." Most cities have museums, parks, bike trails, social and artistic events, and many have affordable housing. Are most Millennials in Pittsburgh living in old warehouses or on former steel mill property? The article didn't really discuss young people setting out on their own from other parts of the country. The physician couple from Denver came for specific physician jobs, not your average just out of college Millennial looking to find a place to live. The woman from Germany went to Pittsburgh because her job brought her there, not because she decided she wanted to live in Pittsburgh.

I know first hand people come to Pittsburgh because they read about it and for the most part they come because it is cheap. Most all the people I discuss this with are from the NYC area. Some people stay and some go back to NYC, but the ones that stay are saying it is so much cheaper and they can actually buy a home here. Try buying a home in the NYC area on $45,000 a year or whatever. The transplants I know are in their 20's and early 30's, but I even know of some young people's parents following their kids to retire here because of the cost of living. It is interesting to watch. I spend a lot of time in the East End and it seems to be quite a hub of newcomers. Yes some get transferred here, but there are some looking to move here and taking the initiative.

I have been reading Denver is getting super expensive. Maybe we will start getting people from out there. You coming home yet?