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Old 04-25-2017, 02:31 PM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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To be fair, I think that's the issue. Its a freaking game and Peduto and the council play right into it. The East Enders have a right to look after their best interest. Peduto and the council have a responsibility to look after every Pittsburgher's interest.
Bingo.

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Old 04-25-2017, 02:39 PM
 
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To be fair, I think that's the issue. Its a freaking game and Peduto and the council play right into it. The East Enders have a right to look after their best interest. Peduto and the council have a responsibility to look after every Pittsburgher's interest.
Bingo! I think we are going somewhere with this.
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Old 04-25-2017, 06:11 PM
 
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You made that BS up. Affordable housing is not limited to the East End of Pittsburgh. This is a national crisis. It appears that many of you are upset because East End residents stood up and took charge in their communities.

Don't hate the playa.......hate the game
I refer back to my post in earlier thread and I guess this is where I get my answer. It seems that it is all good when a preferred constituency wins while others lose. I would prefer my tax dollars go to more egalitarian solutions rather than praise of the playas who win the game for limited constituencies.

I appreciate the articles you posted...very enlightening into the process. In a system of finite revenues yet expanding needs, local tax abatements and tax credits/write-offs to national financial institutions means somebody else is footing the bill, locally and nationally. Many of these people ultimately footing the bill have the same issues you are concerned about. Injecting some context and acknowledging these other people while incessantly praising the playas might go a long way for some here.
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Old 04-25-2017, 06:20 PM
 
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Should I have said beltzhoover, knoxville, Allentown, Arlington, bon Air, beechview, Brookline and carrick? The city isn't paying for road repair in dormant, Mt Lebanon, castle Shannon, etc. You're being disengenuous.

I think people in city limits, and south of the South Side Flats even refer to their area as South Hills. I think "South Hills" are just that - those foothills south of Carson Street.
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Old 04-26-2017, 03:42 AM
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17 deleted posts later, I don't think I have to spell it out why I had to step in, you all know better.
Back on topic please, which in case anyone is confused, is neither racism or who is racist nor Obama.
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Old 04-26-2017, 06:15 AM
 
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the whole "i got mine" attitude really goes against the articles and show another motive. just because someone has the resources to get what they want doesn't mean there are others that aren't in need.
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Old 04-26-2017, 06:29 AM
 
Location: Downtown Cranberry Twp.
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the whole "i got mine" attitude really goes against the articles and show another motive. just because someone has the resources to get what they want doesn't mean there are others that aren't in need.
Exactly.
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Old 04-26-2017, 12:12 PM
 
Location: 15206
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what are the east liberty citizens benefiting from? the renters are getting kicked out. the owners took a risk and bought the property. i do agree that homeowners in other areas could benefit from the property appreciation but some would complain about that as well.
There weren't new owners of Penn Plaza. LG has owned it for 50+ years. I'm going to guesstimate based on the number of occupied units that were reported in the news they were cash flowing 800k-1M per year after maintenance, taxes, insurance, utilities, etc. If there was debt service, it was paid off decades ago and a new loan that was used to leverage to purchase strip malls in other states (not in Pgh).
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Old 04-26-2017, 12:17 PM
 
Location: 15206
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Most of those homes are not in the city of Pittsburgh. I would never move my black family to Belle Vernon, Donora, New Castle, Natrona, Tarentum, California or Sharon PA. Where in the hell would I go to church, shop, get a haircut or communicate with like minded individuals. Not to mention those communities are drug infested and are far removed from the urban job centers. I am thinking from a black perspective.
I generally agree with what you post, but I have a long time friend who is black and grew up in Belle Vernon. He hasn't lived there in a few decades and moved out west years ago though. He's still a great guy to this day.

Suggesting that somebody rent a place 15 miles from an area they consider home just to afford it is about as wrong as assuming that somebody should be able to live wherever they want despite not being able to afford it. There needs to be a common middle ground.

I've said it through and through - rents aren't going down. Especially the lower end of rents. Everything else costs more now. It is time that wages bump up a bit so people can afford to live.
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Old 04-26-2017, 12:30 PM
 
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I generally agree with what you post, but I have a long time friend who is black and grew up in Belle Vernon. He hasn't lived there in a few decades and moved out west years ago though. He's still a great guy to this day.

Suggesting that somebody rent a place 15 miles from an area they consider home just to afford it is about as wrong as assuming that somebody should be able to live wherever they want despite not being able to afford it. There needs to be a common middle ground.

I've said it through and through - rents aren't going down. Especially the lower end of rents. Everything else costs more now. It is time that wages bump up a bit so people can afford to live.
My family is originally from Scottdale PA. I still have family in Scottdale, Mt. Pleasant, West Newton, and Elizabeth. Would I want to live there? No.
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