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Old 06-28-2017, 08:02 AM
 
Location: Etna, PA
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Across the country, knowledge sector workers — people in information technology, engineering, business and legal occupations — saw wages after rent increase 6 percent. Meanwhile, post-rent wages declined by 5 percent for the average blue-collar worker and by 7 percent for the service sector worker.

But Pittsburgh shows that trend in a more dramatic way, as employment in knowledge sectors grew by 16 percent — outpacing the national average during that period — to feed the growing health care, finance and tech industries. Post-rent wages for knowledge workers in Pittsburgh also rose faster than the U.S. average, increasing 11 percent to $69,912 in 2015.

There is some evidence to suggest rent costs have been kept lower here than other cities experiencing a knowledge economy boom. Ms. Bennet found Pittsburgh’s service sector workers saw post-rent wages rise 3 percent, the sixth-largest increase among cities. Blue-collar workers’ post-rent wages stayed about flat, above the national average.
Study: Wage stagnation in Pittsburgh hits blue-collar, service workers hardest | Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:12 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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The headline and the article completely contradict each other. To summarize your quote:

Nationwide, wages for the "creative class" climbed by 6%. In Pittsburgh they rose 11%

Nationwide, wages for blue-collar workers declined by 5%. In Pittsburgh, they were flat.

Nationwide, wages for service workers declined by 7%. In Pittsburgh, they rose 3%.

This is good news for Pittsburgh, not bad news.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA
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The headline and the article completely contradict each other. To summarize your quote:

Nationwide, wages for the "creative class" climbed by 6%. In Pittsburgh they rose 11%

Nationwide, wages for blue-collar workers declined by 5%. In Pittsburgh, they were flat.

Nationwide, wages for service workers declined by 7%. In Pittsburgh, they rose 3%.

This is good news for Pittsburgh, not bad news.
PG trying to pick up where the Trib left off by making everything about this area by being doom and gloom?
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:38 AM
 
Location: Brookline
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Originally Posted by eschaton View Post
The headline and the article completely contradict each other. To summarize your quote:

Nationwide, wages for the "creative class" climbed by 6%. In Pittsburgh they rose 11%

Nationwide, wages for blue-collar workers declined by 5%. In Pittsburgh, they were flat.

Nationwide, wages for service workers declined by 7%. In Pittsburgh, they rose 3%.

This is good news for Pittsburgh, not bad news.

I guess they are calling the lack of growth for blue collar workers the "stagnation" part and just completely ignoring the impressive growth for the knowledge workers. Sounds about right though since everyone knows that knowledge workers aren't "real Pittsburghers."
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:47 AM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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PG trying to pick up where the Trib left off by making everything about this area by being doom and gloom?
They got tired of writing about annexation by western cities.
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Old 06-28-2017, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Etna, PA
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I guess they are calling the lack of growth for blue collar workers the "stagnation" part and just completely ignoring the impressive growth for the knowledge workers. Sounds about right though since everyone knows that knowledge workers aren't "real Pittsburghers."
Nobody said that the knowledge workers aren't "real Pittsburghers".
But it is evidence to support the feelings that the blue collar/working class folks are getting left behind in the "New Pittsburgh".
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:00 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Nobody said that the knowledge workers aren't "real Pittsburghers".
But it is evidence to support the feelings that the blue collar/working class folks are getting left behind in the "New Pittsburgh".
Even if you just look at the gap in income growth compared to the national average, the expansion of the gap between blue-collar and knowledge workers is identical (11%) and the gap in wage growth between service workers and knowledge workers is smaller (13% nationally, versus only 7% locally).
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:48 AM
 
Location: Brookline
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Nobody said that the knowledge workers aren't "real Pittsburghers".
But it is evidence to support the feelings that the blue collar/working class folks are getting left behind in the "New Pittsburgh".

They are getting left behind everywhere, but actually not as bad in Pittsburgh as in other places. (Which I understand is akin to get stabbed versus shot)


Why are they getting left behind? Is it because their is a lack of need for what they do? Or is it that there is actually a need, but no one wants to invest in it? I admit I do not know the answer.


If it is a lack of need for what they do, then what are we to do about that? Do we prop up the industry? Build things we don't need? Purposefully shorten the lifespan of the products they produce, so they can make them again? We could have them dig coal, and then truck it to the other side of the state where they could bury it, and then have another set of coal miners dig it up again? Perhaps we should we look into basic incomes for people in certain sets of industries that are no longer needed?


Again I am not sure what answer would work, to not only help these people but also be an acceptable solution to the masses.
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Old 06-28-2017, 09:59 AM
 
Location: Pittsburgh's North Side
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Perhaps we should we look into basic incomes for people in certain sets of industries that are no longer needed?
Some version of this, at some point when automation really takes off. Even more important is healthcare, because people can survive on a lot less income when they know an unexpected cancer diagnosis isn't going to wreck their finances.
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Old 06-28-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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post-rent wages
I've never heard this term used on a macro level. It makes sense for a personal budget, but not for comparing one person's salary to another's. The location, size, and condition of your housing is a choice. I am not richer than my coworkers because I live in a cheap house, I'm just spending my wages differently than them.
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